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well, thanks to some creative work on my end, little django is eating! and all his food! however, he will not go near the kibble. canned only. does anyone out there feed canned only? i have always fed him kibble for 7 years so canned is new to me. he loves it and eats all his food every day.
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I'm sorry that I can't really offer much here, as I dont really know much about canned food at all and my own research has led to opt for homecooked. Hopefully Dave will chime in here as he is very knowledgeable with regard to nutrition and food-related stuff. If he doesnt notice this thread, you may want to PM him to get his thoughts. ???
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I think canned food and wet food/homecooked is good, I'm all about them getting food that is water rich ALthough, you have to pay special attention to their teeth and keep them clean and the tarter off, be sure to use the petzlife gel or the Leba 3, they both knock off tarter great.

Kibble, its like would you want to eat vitamin enriched fritos or dry cereal for the rest of your life? lol Cant' really blame them for liking other foods..

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I give Rosie and Josie Wales (outlaw kitty) canned food often. They had rather have it than the kibble; but it is expensive to get the good stuff. But as the only food, what I know is from my childhood. My mother always had little tiny dogs and fed them friskies canned dog food. I know that it tasted like canned hash because I used to lick the spoon after feeding them. That is all they ever got to eat and lived to be 15 or so. But now I can't even find friskies and if I did, it wouldn't have any meat in it. I tasted a can of mightydog just recently and it tasted like they had added creosote to it. I threw it out. I had rather give Rosie meat scraps that I save for her along with the kibble, apple slices and carrots. And she loves cream of wheat but I understand that wheat is not supposed to be good for them. I guess I really give Rosie just about what I eat or what is on my plate that is good for her--spoiled yes.
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well, mr. django is very picky. i had started him on clomicalm and one of the side effects was an nausea and upset stomach. he wasn't eating for 2 weeks, just a nibble here and there. finally i started giving him a pepcid at night to coat his belly and sure enough, by morning he was ready to eat! for some reason, he won't go near his kibble so i am sticking with can. i have to hide a tiny piece of turkey in the food to get him going. i switched can when he wasn't eating. i might try to transition back to kibble but i don't think it's going to happen. he eats california natural lamb and rice.
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I think canned food and wet food/homecooked is good, I'm all about them getting food that is water rich ALthough, you have to pay special attention to their teeth and keep them clean and the tarter off, be sure to use the petzlife gel or the Leba 3, they both knock off tarter great.

Kibble, its like would you want to eat vitamin enriched fritos or dry cereal for the rest of your life? lol Cant' really blame them for liking other foods..

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I agree Kara. I feed canned only, (along with 10percent human food. The moisture part is very important. Kibble is definitely on the lower end of the totem pole. Sabine convinced me of the many benefits of canned versus kibble. The only reason I have not gone with raw or homecooked (which are better yet) if done properly, is that we dont' even cook properly for ourselves at home and my wife is disabled and has trouble cooking for me alone. But teeth are also important and one myth is that kibble is better for teeth than canned. But that is false. I have a couple of articles on this. Petzlife is also what we use. It's safe and fairly effective if used properly. For sure dogs will like it better. Molly gobbles her's down in two mins. or less. I have to laugh, every time I talk with Sabine she tells me she will do a free consultation if I want to go with home cooked. But unless I win the lottery and can hire a cook ,it's just not convenient for us. Sorry Molly.
Here is Sabine's ranking on food types. I think it would be quite similar to what most nutritionists would say.
In approximate order this would be, from worst to best:
dry kibble,
wet foods (can/pouch or whatever other container),
dehydrated (e.g Honest Kitchen),
freeze dried (e.g. Stella & Chewie's, Nature's Variety),
frozen (cooked or raw),
home prepared cooked or raw.

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Dave, yes it is a big commitment and I've been accused of cooking more for Gucci than I do my family, lol..partially true, partially not. I've gotten into the habit of cooking 2-3 days worth of food at a time, so really, I only cook 2-3 times a week for her and I usually work it into the same time as I'm making dinner for the family, if the timing works out. But I do feed her canned if I don't have time to cook, or we travel, I still want her to know that canned is okay and part of her diet so she gets it once every week or two (she likes the venison) which is hard to find at the butcher here.

I also think its a big myth or exaggeration that kibble is so much better for dog's teeth. IMO, some people neglect taking care of their pet's teeth because they *think* the kibble is knocking off the tarter, which isn't totally true..even my vet admitted it that they still have to do lots of dental cleanings on dogs on kibble.

She hates the petzlife. I'm giving her the leba which I think is pretty much the same thing and she likes the taste of it better, BUT....its more expensive. I also scrape some tarter off with a pic every now and then but that's something that I started doing when she was a puppy..probably the only reason she semi tolerates it.

I'm always amazed when I dog sit how much water that kibble fed dogs drink, egads..

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Dave, yes it is a big commitment and I've been accused of cooking more for Gucci than I do my family, lol..

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I know what you mean...last night I was making dinner and I called my son to the kitchen to keep an eye on our dinner and put the pasta in the pot once the water boiled b/c I was busy making the dog's food.
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Dave, yes it is a big commitment and I've been accused of cooking more for Gucci than I do my family, lol..partially true, partially not. I've gotten into the habit of cooking 2-3 days worth of food at a time, so really, I only cook 2-3 times a week for her and I usually work it into the same time as I'm making dinner for the family, if the timing works out. But I do feed her canned if I don't have time to cook, or we travel, I still want her to know that canned is okay and part of her diet so she gets it once every week or two (she likes the venison) which is hard to find at the butcher here.

I also think its a big myth or exaggeration that kibble is so much better for dog's teeth. IMO, some people neglect taking care of their pet's teeth because they *think* the kibble is knocking off the tarter, which isn't totally true..even my vet admitted it that they still have to do lots of dental cleanings on dogs on kibble.

She hates the petzlife. I'm giving her the leba which I think is pretty much the same thing and she likes the taste of it better, BUT....its more expensive. I also scrape some tarter off with a pic every now and then but that's something that I started doing when she was a puppy..probably the only reason she semi tolerates it.

I'm always amazed when I dog sit how much water that kibble fed dogs drink, egads..

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Oh I agree Kara. This is something anyone can do ,if you put your mind to it. I discussed it with Gwen, and there would be times where it would be no problem making a months supply ahead of time. It's just whether we can do it on a consistent basis. I should probably get my ass off this laptop and "Get er Done" like the Cable Guy says. I told Sabine , someday I might take her up on her offer. Maybe this being a New Year , it could be my resolution. Funny how you thought kibble fed dogs drink more. When Molly was on kibble ,I always thought she wasn't drinking enough. I would coax and remind her to drink, LOL. And when Sabine sent me this article, I kind of agreed with it. Here is what is says. "Pets who eat mostly canned food or a home prepared diet automatically take in more moisture
than those eating kibble, so they do not need to compensate as much by drinking and
excrete less concentrated urine. Contrary to what many people think and pet food companies
claim, dogs (and cats even more so) do not instinctively know how much extra water they
have to drink to make up for what is lacking in dry food.
A greater incidence of bladder diseases and stones/crystals in animals eating dry food is one
result. An increasing number of American Veterinary Medical Association members, including
board-certified veterinary nutritionists, are now strongly recommending the feeding of canned
food only instead of dry kibble to cats, but the issue has not been officially addressed in dogs,
since they have a slightly better ability to compensate by drinking from their water bowl."
But the moisture content is very important for sure. So thanks for reminding me how easy this is to do. We've been lazy , me especially. I think it's time to make the change. Will discuss this with the boss, and I'll tell her how you said its' so easy to do. Thanks for the encouragement Kara.

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I don't care for filler in dog food and I think it's good to switch brands often and of course gradually. Since we had to change our human diet I have been home cooking for the dogs the same things we eat which includes vegetables and fruits. I have reduced the amount of kibble and always add water to it. We have a lot of wild meat and I have been feeding that to them both raw and cooked. I don't give them bones even though they are supposed to clean teeth. If the bones were small I would likely try them but small dogs and big bones I can't see them wrapping their mouths around them. I give daily probiotics also. I'm reducing bought foods a lot but since they provide minerals, vitamins etc I am using the kibble as a suppliment. I have been doing a lot of reading on the various diets other dog owner find as superior to dog health in their minds. There's so many things on the lists of what and what not to do it makes ones head spin. For years I have been paying attention to what the wild dogs eat...their diets are very much seasonal. Anyways some of the things I see in the scat they leave for me to investigate I have been feeding my dogs as it's what the feral ones eat. Blueberries, raspberries, saskatoons, etc. I've also been paying attention to the type of floral my own dogs eat on their own and encorporating them on a regular basis. In the summer they steal tomatoes, apples from the ground, peas, carrot tops, beet tops and the berries mentioned above plus wild rose hips and clovers and other stuff I'm sure I have failed to remember. The only dog permitted in the stable area is the Border Collie and he eats horse feed that gets left on the ground...rolled oats, rolled barley, beet pulp pellets, flax seed and fenue greek. Oddly he never eats alfalfa which I see more and more added to commercial dog foods even although he has every opportunity. I never get tired of learning about or discussing canine nutrition.


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