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Just wondering if all havaneses chase cats. One reason I chose the breed is because they are supposed to get along with other animals,but Sophie is obsessed. She chases Pepper, pins him to the floor and play bites him. Then he meows loudly til I get her off him. I've been trying to teach her by putting her on a leash and jerking when she tries to go after him, but so far, if not on leash she still attacks him. He's twice as big as her. I know the breeder she came from had cats and she said the dogs would gang up on the cats, so I wonder if she learned this behavior.It's really hard to keep them seperated all the time.Does anyone else have this problem? Sophie starts puppy training Tuesday, so maybe I can learn something from the trainer.
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I would think that if the cat were truly bothered by it then he would put Sophie in her place pronto. Cats dont generally take any guff, especially not from a little dog; at least that has been my experience.
My mom has three cats and when we were over there for Christmas Sammy checked them out, but didn't bother much with them at all, but I dont know if this is typical for the breed. He does bark if a cat is on our property if he happens to notice it, which is only if he's sitting on the couch looking out if someone has left the house and he is waiting for them to return. I suppose that if I opened the door and told him he could go out he would probably give chase though.
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Jerking a puppy (or dog) with a leash is NEVER the right answer. You'd do much better sitting with the cat and the puppy and giving him treats and praise for CALM and appropriate interactions. You can also work on teaching Sophie the "leave it!" command, which is useful in MANY situations.

I agree though, that no self-respecting cat is going to put up with a rambunctious puppy if they don't want to. Our cat, who is a little bit of a thing at 8 lbs, has NO trouble keeping Kodi in line, even though he is double her weight. He would LOVE to play with her, but she wants no part of it. When he was little, a couple of times she backed him into a corner and slapped him in the face.<g> Now he knows who is boss in our house! She can even walk up and push him out of his food dish and he lets her.


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Now he knows who is boss in our house! She can even walk up and push him out of his food dish and he lets her.
you should video that...it would be super funny to see I'm sure.
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I don't actually jerk the leash, it's more of a one finger thing I learned from the book "My Smart Puppy" and I was also trying it because Cesar Melon did it on a segment about this very thing. Anyway, Pepper is declawed and when he bats at Sophie, he punches her in the nose but she doesn't seem to mind at all. I have tried the reward for being nice, but it's not working yet. I will continue with it because the leash thing just isn't practical.
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Does your cat have a place to go to that the puppy can't reach, like the top of the sofa or washing machine? I agree that no cat is going to let a puppy bully it if the cat has a way to get away if it wants to. And the cat can easily put the pup in his place.

My cat (Nitro) was about 5 years old when Tucker came home. She has ruled the roost from day one. They soon started wrestling, on Nitro's terms. She sounds like she's being torn limb from limb, but when Tucker walks away she eggs him on. She has claws and could really tear him up if she chose to. She's definitely the "top dog" here, as far as she's concerned, ha!
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Now he knows who is boss in our house! She can even walk up and push him out of his food dish and he lets her.
Karen, I laughed when I read this! Nitro (cat) can walk up to Tucker, while he's eating or drinking, and just simply LOOK at him and Tucker backs away to let her have as much as she wants. When Nitro leaves, he goes back to finish. Nitro doesn't really want the food--she just likes to be bossy!

Once, when Tucker was sitting on the back of the sofa in HER spot, she actually pushed him off to the floor, where he landed with a thud then trotted around and jumped back up to another spot on the couch.

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I don't actually jerk the leash, it's more of a one finger thing I learned from the book "My Smart Puppy" and I was also trying it because Cesar Melon did it on a segment about this very thing. Anyway, Pepper is declawed and when he bats at Sophie, he punches her in the nose but she doesn't seem to mind at all. I have tried the reward for being nice, but it's not working yet. I will continue with it because the leash thing just isn't practical.

Some of Cesar Milan's methods can be useful, especially the "exercise, discipline, affection" paradigm. But Havs in general are VERY "soft", biddable dogs. (probably the reason that I don't think Cesar has ever had one on his show!) Positive training methods are usually MUCH more likely to get you where you want to go with a Hav.

Your puppy is still young, right? So some of what is going on is just puppy exuberance. I'm SURE that Pepper could make his displeasure known if he wanted to... You don't have to scratch or bite to let your puppy know that they are doing something wrong! But to make things easier for Pepper, I'd put up a baby gate somewhere so that he has a place to go where the puppy can't follow him. We have a cat door into the basement, and a gate across the doorway to the upstairs. Snowbelle knows she can go either of these places if Kodi is bothering her. (and, in this case, sometimes all that she needs to be "bothered" is to notice that he's alive.


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I don't actually jerk the leash, it's more of a one finger thing I learned from the book "My Smart Puppy" and I was also trying it because Cesar Melon did it on a segment about this very thing. Anyway, Pepper is declawed and when he bats at Sophie, he punches her in the nose but she doesn't seem to mind at all. I have tried the reward for being nice, but it's not working yet. I will continue with it because the leash thing just isn't practical.

Some of Cesar Milan's methods can be useful, especially the "exercise, discipline, affection" paradigm. But Havs in general are VERY "soft", biddable dogs. (probably the reason that I don't think Cesar has ever had one on his show!) Positive training methods are usually MUCH more likely to get you where you want to go with a Hav.

Your puppy is still young, right? So some of what is going on is just puppy exuberance. I'm SURE that Pepper could make his displeasure known if he wanted to... You don't have to scratch or bite to let your puppy know that they are doing something wrong! But to make things easier for Pepper, I'd put up a baby gate somewhere so that he has a place to go where the puppy can't follow him. We have a cat door into the basement, and a gate across the doorway to the upstairs. Snowbelle knows she can go either of these places if Kodi is bothering her. (and, in this case, sometimes all that she needs to be "bothered" is to notice that he's alive.)


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Pepper has lots of places to get away. Maybe he is playing. He will jump off his safe place and walk very slowly until Sophie sees him, then Sophie jumps on him and he just sits there meowing. Or he'll get on a low chair where Sophie jumps up at him and he bats at her. I really thought maybe this is their way of playing until other members of my family said otherwise. It's impossible to read the minds of animals. Most of the time Sophie is in the kitchen with a baby gate. Pepper will often meow at the gate to come in and when he does he could easily jump on the table. Instead he walks slowly and it begins again. Sophie doesn't hurt him , for sure. I think she would probably do the same thing with another puppy her size.
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