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post #11 of 90 (permalink) Old 07-25-2018, 12:53 AM Thread Starter
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I don't believe everything I hear either, but we're not talking some weird website reporting - it is a federal study. Yes, I know that it's just preliminary.

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The other detail missing from the FDA report is the quality of the food they were being fed. Grain free has become very popular and now the cheaper supermarket brands offer a grain free products. But high quality grain free dog foods are expensive because they contain more meat and meat products. The cheaper brands of dog food have always used corn and other starches to fill them out and I suspect when they went grain free they replaced the high levels of corn with high levels of peas and potatoes.

In higher quality grain free foods these ingredients are present but in much smaller quantities. So is it their presence or is it too much of them? We don't know.

Definitely something to stay aware of but I have to think that feeding a high quality food is your best bet against these until more information is available.

Henry really loves the Stella and Chewy's Duck Duck Goose variety.
I agree - generally, but one of the foods many people recommend as one of the best (and I just switched to) - Fromm's has peas, lentils, potatoes, and related foods as their 3rd/ 4th ingredients - and have 5-6 of these in every recipe I checked out - so following the theory that the higher on the ingredients list the bigger the percentage, I'd say that this is not in small quantities. The study didn't mention specific brands only mentioned the ingredients.
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I agree - generally, but one of the foods many people recommend as one of the best (and I just switched to) - Fromm's has peas, lentils, potatoes, and related foods as their 3rd/ 4th ingredients - and have 5-6 of these in every recipe I checked out - so following the theory that the higher on the ingredients list the bigger the percentage, I'd say that this is not in small quantities. The study didn't mention specific brands only mentioned the ingredients.
I looked up the DogFoodAdvisor's recommendation on Fromm's grain-free foods, both the Gold and the Nutritional, and they are both rated 4-1/2 stars out of 5, and are highly recommended because of its high meat content. They look at the actual percentages of all the foods, not just how they are listed on the analysis. They say both of those Fromm's products are over average in protein and fat, and under-average in carbs.

I think it is fair to say, like someone else mentioned, that there is a difference in the quality between the more expensive grain-free dog food and the cheaper ones. Having an abundance of meat in there helps with providing your dog the taurine it needs.
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I looked up the DogFoodAdvisor's recommendation on Fromm's grain-free foods, both the Gold and the Nutritional, and they are both rated 4-1/2 stars out of 5, and are highly recommended because of its high meat content. They look at the actual percentages of all the foods, not just how they are listed on the analysis. They say both of those Fromm's products are over average in protein and fat, and under-average in carbs.

I think it is fair to say, like someone else mentioned, that there is a difference in the quality between the more expensive grain-free dog food and the cheaper ones. Having an abundance of meat in there helps with providing your dog the taurine it needs.
Good to know, the general rule of thumb is the higher in the list, the higher the proportion, and another source said as long as they weren't in the first 5 or so ingredients - but good to know that despite that, it's not really as high as it seems.
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And, I would say that is a good rule of thumb. But one doesn't know if Ingredient#1 is 51% of the amount in the food, for example, but by the time you get to Ingredient #3, it has dropped to 5% and everything after that is even much lower. That is the problem with just the ingredients being listed and not the percentages. I wish every time I knew the percentages even when looking at human food!
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Good information. It's crazy how the information is manipulated!
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Good information. It's crazy how the information is manipulated!
I always find that interesting. For example (not dog related), my Mom had a bottle of aloe vera and it said
"Aloe Vera 100% gel"

How many people do you think saw that and thought - oh good, it's 100% aloe... There are ways to tell the truth but seriously manipulate it as well.
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How many people do you think saw that and thought - oh good, it's 100% aloe... There are ways to tell the truth but seriously manipulate it as well.
Absolutely. That's funny about the aloe vera. It's 100% gel! Doesn't have quite the same appeal.

This is no guarantee of course but in addition to looking at labels etc I do look at smaller family owned dog food companies. Many of them began because they wanted the best for their dogs. They are associating their own names and faces with products. it seems so often that even high quality dog foods deteriorate once they've been swallowed up by the huge food companies, which happens way too often.
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So I don't have to worry over every new study, I just try to balance what Loki is eating. Just like us, I figure everything (except chocolate and grapes) in moderation. He primarily eats Holistic Select grain free canned food - I vary the protein. He also gets a 1/4 cup Verus kibble that has barley and oats. I also give him whatever vegetables and/or fruit we are having. His favorites - broccoli, green beans (but only roasted not steamed), zucchini and summer squash, tomatoes, melon, strawberries, and blueberries. Occasionally, he gets a little peanut butter or plain yogurt in a kong. He is healthy and lean. I figure he is getting a good varied diet.

Oh, I forgot - he really loves eggs with a little cheese in them. He gets some when I make them on the weekends.
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Good advice, Barbara.

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