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post #81 of 90 (permalink) Old 09-19-2018, 12:12 PM
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I just want to ad to this thread that one of the reputable breeders in the Southern Magnolia Havanese breeders club sold a puppy last week to a woman whose parent is a canine cardiologist (those are rare) and her word is to take this information seriously in regards to small breeds as well.

I feed Merrick kibble with the raw bits and found chick peas and potatoes in the first five ingredients, so it is time for a new food in this doggie household.

Hmm, just how many times removed was my two cents from the original source (canine cardiologist)? Four times?

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I just wonder if the way to go isn't to change an otherwise high quality food, but to supplement with taurine instead? Going all freeze dried or frozen raw might not work for most people (cost, convenience, etc.), and I haven't found any of the high quality kibbles that don't have one or more of those things in the top 5.
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I have noticed most kibble contain some kind of liver. There are so many liver treats in pet stores. I avoid pet food that has liver added. All I can think of is the liver filtering blood and chemicals. It doesn't seem like a good thing for us or our dogs to eat.
I remember my mom cooking my dad liver, bacon and onions because he like it. 🤮

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I have noticed most kibble contain some kind of liver. There are so many liver treats in pet stores. I avoid pet food that has liver added. All I can think of is the liver filtering blood and chemicals. It doesn't seem like a good thing for us or our dogs to eat.
I remember my mom cooking my dad liver, bacon and onions because he like it. 🤮
I feed homemade raw and I must include organ meats in my dogs diet because that is where a lot of their vitamins come from. I assume kibble has supplemental vitamins added to take care of this. However, I must include them in the proper portion. For example, liver is very high in vitamin A and too much can cause issues. I also try to source my organ meats from local pasture raised animals vs. factory farmed to avoid the chemicals you mention. I think liver is very nutritious for people too. Traditionally people ate all parts of an animal...things we now consider yucky but which are very nutrient dense. However, back then they did not have factory farms.

I also was wondering how safe it is to feed liver treats. I avoid them for fear of overdosing my dogs on vitamin A because I include liver in my dogs diet. But I wonder if too much would also be bad for dogs on commercial diets.
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The liver does not store toxins or waste products - it filters and then excretes them.

“When the liver has broken down harmful substances, its by-products are excreted into the bile or blood. Bile by-products enter the intestine and leave the body in the form of feces. Blood by-products are filtered out by the kidneys, and leave the body in the form of urine.”

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So the liver itself is safe for both humans and dogs, and a very important part of a raw diet.

Mudpuppy, I feed fresh liver in my dogs meals, as well as for treats, but I chop up a bunch of dried single ingredient items (lung, tripe bits, dried salmon, this that and the other) as well into a big bowl and give treats out of that, so the extra liver is just a fraction really, and I don’t worry about over doing it.
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cishepard - Thank you for the information on liver and for sharing how you feed raw. I always enjoy hearing what other raw feeders do.

I feed 5 percent liver and 5 percent other organ (kidney, spleen, pancreas, etc.) as semi-frozen treats at the end of their meal. I cut up the organs into small pieces, lay them in a dish and freeze them. After eating their meal, they do tricks for me and get their treats. They love their organs but prefer them frozen vs. the squishy texture they have when thawed. As far as other treats, I usually just cut up meat into small pieces and freeze it. Depending on what I need the treats for I also use freeze dried salmon.
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The liver does not store toxins or waste products - it filters and then excretes them.

“When the liver has broken down harmful substances, its by-products are excreted into the bile or blood. Bile by-products enter the intestine and leave the body in the form of feces. Blood by-products are filtered out by the kidneys, and leave the body in the form of urine.”

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...-and-functions

So the liver itself is safe for both humans and dogs, and a very important part of a raw diet.

Mudpuppy, I feed fresh liver in my dogs meals, as well as for treats, but I chop up a bunch of dried single ingredient items (lung, tripe bits, dried salmon, this that and the other) as well into a big bowl and give treats out of that, so the extra liver is just a fraction really, and I don’t worry about over doing it.
I agree liver has lot's of vitamins, iron and is nutritious. It's just the thinking about all the harmful chemicals and substances that pass through and are filtered out. My childhood cat was only fed cut up raw kidneys for 18 years and was very healthy. 🤢 I can't think of feeding raw since I don't eat meat. I always add a little chicken, roast beef or turkey breast daily to meals, but it is already cooked.

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