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We are always hungry...

Our Toby a year ago turned to have sensitive stomach... now is on a vegetarian diet. He is doing great on this diet ( Natural Balance Vegetarian Formula - 1 can a day).

But one problem...he is alway hungry and begging for treats...we try to give him treats and carrots (he loves carrots by the way)...he eats them so quick and comes back begging for more. Our doc says its good to have a hungry dog...but our heart melts when he begs for food

Can anyone recommend anything that he can chew on for a while?! That's also easy on his tummy?


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Our Toby a year ago turned allergic to his regular food and now is on a vegetarian diet. He is doing great on this diet ( Natural Balance Vegetarian Formula - 1 can a day).

But one problem...he is alway hungry and begging for treats...we try to give hime treats and carrots (he loves carrots by the way)...he eats them so quick and comes back begging for more. Our doc says its good to have a hungry dog...but our heart melts when he begs for food

Can anyone recommend anything that he can chew on for a while?! That's also easy on his tummy?
Dogs are scavengers. They ALWAYS want food. It's not because yours is on a special diet. It's up to us humans to determine what is good for them. Chewing doesn't always substitute for eating, so he might not even stick with a chew that wasn't food. Almost all dog chews (that aren't plastic) have some animal product in them. You could TRY something like a Nylabone. Even though they aren't a top choice for me, in your situation, at least they won't contain animal products. He MIGHT be willing to chew on them.

Or, if he likes carrots, get a small sized Kong and put a carrot in, from one hole to the other. It would take him longer to get it out and eat it.


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He is doing great on this diet ( Natural Balance Vegetarian Formula - 1 can a day).

But one problem...he is alway hungry and begging for treats...we try to give hime treats and carrots (he loves carrots by the way)...he eats them so quick and comes back begging for more.

Can anyone recommend anything that he can chew on for a while?! That's also easy on his tummy?
Toby sounds pretty typical for many Havanese (including Senor Ricky Ricardo! ). Hungry Havanese have many advantages, - easier to train, always ready to please, easier to control weight, etc. Be thankful you don't have a picky eater, there are many Havanese like that too.

How often do you feed Toby his regular diet during the day? Have you tried feeding him the same amount per day but in more servings? What is Toby's height at his shoulder and how much does he weigh? How old is he? Ricky is 11" at the shoulder and weighs right around 15 pounds. The Vet says Ricky is perfectly lean, all muscle. Ricky gets lots of exercise, he walks with me twice a day at a relatively brisk pace for 3+ miles per day.

Right now, Ricky eats 2/3 to 3/4 cup per day of Honest Kitchen with boiled chicken breast (depending on his weight) in two servings one around 9am and the other at 5pm. He also gets 1/4 cup of steamed vegetables/fruit at noon and dinner - broccoli, cauliflower, carrots, brussels sprouts, zucchini, apple. pear, etc. He is not allowed the whole quarter cup at one time. I control the cup and toss him a piece every minute or so (pieces are about the size of a grape). He has to wait patiently for each piece at a location where I tell him to "stay." Any begging and I stop throwing pieces. He also gets low calorie training treats throughout the day. I use


treats (3 calories per treat) which he just goes nuts over. They are manufactured just down the road from me in a clean facility. I also let Ricky eat about 6" of Bully Stick once a weak as a 'super special' treat (Friday evening TGIF). Bully sticks are high calorie and they can give a dog loose stools if too much, so limit their use.

That's what works for us, it might work for you. It will be interesting to hear what others do for an 'always hungry dog.'

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If Toby is exceptionally, really, hungry, I wonder if trying a different food, something with a novel protein, might help to satisfy him, since dogs aren't vegetarian...

Tucker can't eat chicken, turkey, beef, or lamb, but is doing well on rabbit or kangaroo at this time.


Just something to consider.

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My KC loves sweet potatoes and seems to satisfy his “hunger”. I cook the and cut it up, skin included, in very small pieces (1/2 of a grape size). I store it in the frig and give him small portions when he seems extra hungry.


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I don’t know if this is even helpful, but I’m going to share it anyway.

At one point when I switched kibble we had a problem with our dog eating only the freeze dried “topper” and the old kibble out of his bowl and then acting ravenously hungry all of the time. I did what has been suggested, which is to give the meal and then pick it up after 10-15 minutes. This went on for a few days and then one day I forgot to pick it up. Around lunch time he ate every last bite of the new kibble, which was both in his bowl and scattered around his placemat where he spit it out. After that I went back to picking up his bowl, usually empty.

Out of curiosity, is it possible he might do better on three small meals instead of two since his diet is unusual? I’m sure there’s protein in his food, but maybe it just doesn’t keep him sustained as long. Maybe you could ask your vet about it.

Along the lines of making the treats you give him last longer, DD has made lots of frozen yogurt based treats with fruit. I’m sure you could just as easily freeze up some vegetable purées. Snap peas last a little longer for us than baby carrots because he sort of plays with them a little more.
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Along the lines of making the treats you give him last longer, DD has made lots of frozen yogurt based treats with fruit. I’m sure you could just as easily freeze up some vegetable purées. Snap peas last a little longer for us than baby carrots because he sort of plays with them a little more.
Perry's absolute favorite (non-puppy crack) treat is snow peas. When he eats carrots and cauliflower he'll leave little pieces sitting around - but the snow peas disappear without a trace!
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Have you tried switching your dog to a raw food diet? Cooked foods especially kibble have no digestive enzymes. Dogs are not vegetarians and I would be concerned about long term health effects from a vegan diet. I read the ingredients on the food you are feeding and looks like it is loaded with chemicals. Please try a raw diet before resorting to this. There are commercially available raw foods nowadays. I feed a homemade raw diet. A homemade diet must be balanced so if you go this route, you need to educate yourself. You could also try adding digestive enzymes and probiotics to the dog’s diet. My Havanese is 10 years old and thriving on a raw homemade diet which I started when she was 1 year old. Good luck.
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A vegetarian diet by definition is loaded with carbohydrate which causes blood sugar to rise sharply. It is the subsequent release of high levels of insulin and other hormones combined with the fall of blood sugar back to normal levels that causes hunger (in humans as well as dogs).
This is especially problematic in dogs who are not designed to eat carbohydrates on a regular basis. I would be concerned about excess strain on the pancreas, as well.
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I agree completely. Dogs are not vegetarians. Need to get to the root cause of the issue here. Removing meat from a carnivore’s diet is not the answer. The dog may be hungry all the time because it is being deprived of meat.
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