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Sugarbaby is 9 weeks old now. I am wondering about her eye rim pigments. Around her eyes are flesh colored which I see a lot on chocolate dogs but I am wondering will her eye rims get more brown on them or does she just have poor pigmentation.

For the record, she is my pet first and couldn't be a more perfect match for me personality wise, but if she could, I would like to show her but I am not sure if the eye rims would disqualify her. What is your opinion? Don't worry about hurting my feelings, she was not sold to me as "show quality", I think she is just beautiful whether she has show potential or not.

Here is the best picture I have been able to get of her eyes.

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hmmmm, not sure, but she sure looks like a Chocolate Hav to me... can't really see the pink eye pigmentation....?
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Sugarbaby is 9 weeks old now. I am wondering about her eye rim pigments. Around her eyes are flesh colored which I see a lot on chocolate dogs but I am wondering will her eye rims get more brown on them or does she just have poor pigmentation.

For the record, she is my pet first and couldn't be a more perfect match for me personality wise, but if she could, I would like to show her but I am not sure if the eye rims would disqualify her. What is your opinion? Don't worry about hurting my feelings, she was not sold to me as "show quality", I think she is just beautiful whether she has show potential or not.

Here is the best picture I have been able to get of her eyes.

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Did you talk to your breeder about it? A good breeder should be able to tell you. I really don't know anything about chocolates. I know a black pigmented dog would have all it's eye rim and nose and lip pigment by that age. Here's what the standard says:
The pigment on the eyerims is complete, solid black for all colors except for the chocolate dog which has complete solid, dark chocolate brown pigment
Disqualification: Complete absence of black (or chocolate in the chocolate dog) pigmentation on the eyerims, nose or lips.
Also, do you have full AKC registration on her or limited? If limited, you can't show her in conformation classes no matter how perfect she is (or isn't). Of course, there are all the (IMO, more fun) performance classes you can show her in... Obedience, Rally and Agility, and it doesn't matter whether she meets the standard for those or not.


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My dog is a chocolate Havanese, and the pigmentation is chocolate and pink. It's just the genetics of a chocolate Havanese. His paws are actually pink and chocolate spotted. His nose is chocolate with a pinkish tinge. I tried looking at his eyes, and they are light with a chocolate rim, the best I could tell. He is 5 months old. I think lighter pigmentation is more prevalent in a chocolate Havanese. Just as red-heads often have more freckles. You can have the vet look at it, but in my unqualified opinion, it is probably just genetics. Cute dog she is!
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I don't know about the pigmentation, but she is so cute!

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She's an adorable chocolate hav, with the perfect pigmentation and everything else, for you. If she wasn't sold to you as show potential, I'm assuming she was sold on a limited registration, which as Karen mentioned would preclude her from being shown, even if she turns into a four legged Marilyn Monroe. But, again as Karen has so well explained above, you could have a lot of fun with her in obedience, rally or agility. Take a look at Karen's video of her with Kodi in his competition. You can see the sheer joy in his face as he looks lovingly at her.

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I have Sugarbaby's full registration but it wont help me show her if she doesn't meet the standard.
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I have heard, but will let the experts confirm or deny, that it is harder to champion a chocolate under the best of circumstances.

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Take a look at Karen's video of her with Kodi in his competition. You can see the sheer joy in his face as he looks lovingly at her.
Aww, gee, thanks, Geri!


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I have heard, but will let the experts confirm or deny, that it is harder to champion a chocolate under the best of circumstances.
I've read the same thing... A chocolate dog has to be even that much better to win in competition against black pigmented dogs. Doesn't necessarily seem fair, considering that they are allowed within the standard, but...


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