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CBD for Motion Sickness..Getting desperate

My little guy, Shadow, is almost 2yrs. I've tried many things now, short trips, Benedryl, Damamine, now Cerenia. Nothing has worked. Not music, having the sunroof open, windows opened, windows close, front seat, back seat.
He wants to get into the car, doesn't appear anxious or afraid. He is ok for 1 or 2 miles, then he starts looking sick. Today it was Cerenia(prescription for motion sickness). He made it to the groomer and threw up after the 6 miles drive.
Not sure what to do next. My vet is against CBD oil and so am I. I feel it is uncharted territory. He has suggested anti-anxiety meds and feels that most motion sickness is caused by anxiety. I am so torn up about what to do. Nothing has gotten better despite my efforts.
This is a highly social dog who seems to love his outings. I have had him for almost a year and we struggled with separation anxiety. That seems to be in the past and he is fine being alone for a couple hours.
Any ideas on the meds or CBD oil would be appreciated. TIA
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Wish I had an answer - Perry's the same - tried the one from the vet - no luck. Dramamine works better than benadryl (just super drooly but no vomit) - but that's only if I don't feed him at all before we go anywhere. I haven't tried CBD oil yet because I was afraid to carry it with me (given that we're usually driving to the airport and then flying to/ from a foreign country that views CBD oil in the same light with any cannabis product). But if anyone has info that it works then I'll consider putting it in an unmarked bottle
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The thing with car sickness at this point is that you don't know to what extent it is a motion issue or a learned anxiety issue. Quite often it starts as a motion problem and then the dog's anxiety increases in the prelude to geting into the car. Vet behaviorists will recommend drugs in conjunction with a systematic desensitization at the same time. Some drugs alleviate the motion sickness and some calm the anxiety related to car sickness. Some do both. I am not allowed to reccommend any drugs .that is up to your vet should you choose this option. If your dog is already anxious I strongly reccommend the two prong approach. If you should decide on a trainer let me know privately and I will see If I can find one for you.

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Meclizine

look for it as an ingredient in human over the counter motion sickness pills, so no prescription needed. The generic is fine.

One trouble with a dog having motion sickness is that they learn to fear riding in the car. Meclizine has no side effects, like drowsiness, that the others do.

It cured Nike after she was an adult, and she was maybe the worst ever for motion sickness.

The day our puppies are going home, they get less than 1/4 pill that morning. It takes several hours to get in their system. That's just a preventative against them getting car sick on the ride home, which is typically a long ride. Once home, they can go on short rides without it, to see how they do, and gradually work up to no trouble.

It would be worth a try if nothing else has worked.
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Hi Dave, We've used the Meclizine without any success. My breeder used it with him too and he vomited while using using it. He was 10 months old when I got him and had been placed in 2 homes before I got him. I don't know really what his history was prior to this. He spent probably 9 of those 10 months with the breeder.
He wants to go in the car. He tries to get me open the car door when we are just passing by and happily enters the car. Does not appear to be nervous. No whining or trying to get out. All is fine til we go about 2 miles. Then he just starts hanging his head and looks sick. I talk to him, sing happily, trying to divert his attention. If he doesn't vomit during a ride, he does after a few minutes of getting out.
The breeder claims to find the cbd oil very helpful for motion sickness. It could be a combo of anxiety and motion since he did have separation anxiety problems when I first got him. He had never been totally alone since both of the previous owners had other dogs and the breeder had plenty of dogs. In general, he does not seem like an anxious dog but he is very active. The only thing is fireworks when they are very close and very loud.
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Meclizine is the best we've found so far - but it doesn't solve it - just reduces it from vomiting to heavy drooling (all with no eating the whole day beforehand - if he eats then there may be vomiting with the meclizine too).

Without it (or with just benadryl) we can go about 15 minutes without vomiting in the car (again without having eaten that morning) - but will usually end up vomiting once we're out of the car.

Perry is an anxious/ afraid dog and I am not sure if it's motion sickness itself or anxiety or more likely a combination. I'll have to talk more with our vet about anti-anxiety drugs when I'm in the US in June to try that.
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We had a similar issue with Bodie. We tried Cerenia and Dramamine. No food or water before a long car ride. Nothing worked. He would throw up and drool. Finally we decided to let him eat and drink and gave him no medicine and guess what? He was fine! 7 hour car ride with zero issues. We were shocked. Hes been fine ever since. Every dog is different, but this was our experience.

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We had a similar issue with Bodie. We tried Cerenia and Dramamine. No food or water before a long car ride. Nothing worked. He would throw up and drool. Finally we decided to let him eat and drink and gave him no medicine and guess what? He was fine! 7 hour car ride with zero issues. We were shocked. Hes been fine ever since. Every dog is different, but this was our experience.
right on. "Meclizine. Meclizine is an antihistamine prescribed by veterinarians to treat dogs and cats that suffer from motion sickness. ... While the brand name formulations of Meclizine are available over-the-counter, this drug should not be administered unless under the guidance of a veterinarian".

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We had a similar issue with Bodie. We tried Cerenia and Dramamine. No food or water before a long car ride. Nothing worked. He would throw up and drool. Finally we decided to let him eat and drink and gave him no medicine and guess what? He was fine! 7 hour car ride with zero issues. We were shocked. Hes been fine ever since. Every dog is different, but this was our experience.
One of my previous dogs, a Bichon Frise, suddenly started getting car sick but only when we started going to a new groomer. This groomer was a 45 minute drive and he had to be there before 9. He never liked to eat breakfast as soon as we got up.
The key with him was that he needed to eat before a car ride. We changed groomers that did not require an early morning(before breakfast) arrival and all was fine for many years and long trips.
Every dog is different. Very true.
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