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Question about mixed breeds

I often see very cute dogs that are part Havanese and part Bichon. These mixed breeds are very cute, the owners seem happy with the dog and the dog seems to be happy and healthy. However, I cannot find breeders that breed these small mixed breed dogs such as a maltipoo, etc. Where do they come from??
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Puppy mills. And sometimes accidents There are some breeders who do it but generally the ones being sold are coming from puppy mills.
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My view of this is probably very niave considering I knew very little about dog breeding until I began to search for my Havanese, but I’m sure others will share more experienced perspectives. This is just the opinion I’m settling into based on what I’ve learned. If I’ve got it completely wrong, hopefully someone will educate me!

In my area there is a ton of hobby breeding (I don’t even know if that’s the right word), mostly of larger poodle mixes. I even saw an add once for Havanese mixes, but they aren’t as popular here. I’m wary of them. I don’t have any problem with the idea in theory, I’m just skeptical that a hobby breeder has the resources and necessary commitment to managing the unique needs of both breeds as well as the health complexities that can come from mixed breeds, even if they are loving, well intentioned people. That being said, I have to believe there are good breeders out there who manage. I imagine it’s twice as hard to verify, and for every sketchy purebred breeder out there, there have to be at least three times as many sketchy “designer” breeders. I say this based on how many strangers have approached us and asked us about breeding our dog. I believe it’s important to continue to responsibly breed purebreds dogs, but I also don’t condem alternative breeders. It just seems like a much more complicated issue than it appears to be on the surface.

Most of the breeders I came across who breed these types of mixes are just families and don’t even advertise. There is a Goldendoodle breeder that I’ve heard several friends mention they would love a puppy from, but they also have a very long waiting list and only a couple of litters a year.
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There are absolutely NO cross breed dogs bred by reputable breeders, because reputable breeders are committed to preserving their breed, not just making money producing "cute pets". Reputable breeders will not sell their puppies to someone who intends to use that puppy to produce cross breed dogs, so, by definition, a crossbreed has to be produced using two inferior representatives of their breed. If this is done purposely, it is ALWAYS done by a puppy mill or backyard breeder. I would never support such a practice.

I'm not saying it never happens by mistake. Of course it can, but it is exceedingly rare. It is really easy to keep an intact girl away from boys when it is her time. She is small. Pick her up or confine her. It is just not that hard. So if it DOES happen and you are lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time, enjoy your find.

There are also crosses like this that certainly show up in shelters. But they are invariable puppy mill-bred dogs, with all the possibilities of problems that go along with that.

...And I get down to the bottom question of why on earth would you want to do it? What attributes for another breed would you want to add to a Havanese to make them "better"? I don't get it... Bichons CERTAINLY have more health problems than Havanese, and harder to manage coats (because of the curls) It pretty much guarantees that you will need to keep them clipped. Otherwise, structurally, they are not THAT much different. Nor temperamentally. They both have nice dispositions and are fun little dogs. Pick one or the other and enjoy the breed.


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I agree 100% with Karen(above).
Bichon Frise are wonderful dogs! I've had 4. They are similar to Havanese but with more health problems. My vet actually suggested I get a Havanese this time rather than another Bichon.
There are many good Havanese breeders in Florida. There are a few I would avoid. If I might ask, who have you contacted?
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There are absolutely NO cross breed dogs bred by reputable breeders, because reputable breeders are committed to preserving their breed, not just making money producing "cute pets".

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This is the best way I’ve heard to describe it. I know of very nice people who are doing this because they are excited about the novelty of the cross breed and they love dogs, so it’s not like they are going to come across as sleezy people or suspicious like a shady puppy mill breeder. They are going to seem like very nice people with “cute puppies” and they will want the best for their dogs and will try to make sure they are healthy. Which is why so many people end up with their puppies! But at the end of the day, there is no way to ensure that they’ve had appropriate health testing, and the ethical issues are really complicated.

I definitely don’t believe it’s easier to do it this way. In the end the cost is a designer dog price tag without any of the assurances that come from a reputable breeder and a purebred dog. I don’t think that’s worth getting a dog more quickly.

On the other hand, adopting a rescue that is not purebred is completely different.
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I hate to admit this and hope I am not thrown out of this forum, however my Mia is half Papillon and half Havanese. She is actually a breeder “mistake”. Her mom is a show dog Havanese, however somehow the breeder’s daughter’s papillon was visiting and did the job. The breeder was not aware of this and sold her. However, after a few weeks Mia’s ears starting popping up and looking like a Papillon. The owners returned her at 4 months and that is how I got her. Still to this day, if she gets excited her ears pop up and it is the cutest thing. I have yet to capture that in a picture because it only happens once in awhile. This was an unfortunate incident and the breeder felt terrible, however I think I have the sweetest dog in the world so I guess something good came out of it. She pretty much looks like a full blooded Havanese except for the giant ears that pop up once in awhile. She is 10 years old and no health issues or allergies.
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I hate to admit this and hope I am not thrown out of this forum, however my Mia is half Papillon and half Havanese. She is actually a breeder “mistake”. Her mom is a show dog Havanese, however somehow the breeder’s daughter’s papillon was visiting and did the job. The breeder was not aware of this and sold her. However, after a few weeks Mia’s ears starting popping up and looking like a Papillon. The owners returned her at 4 months and that is how I got her. Still to this day, if she gets excited her ears pop up and it is the cutest thing. I have yet to capture that in a picture because it only happens once in awhile. This was an unfortunate incident and the breeder felt terrible, however I think I have the sweetest dog in the world so I guess something good came out of it. She pretty much looks like a full blooded Havanese except for the giant ears that pop up once in awhile. She is 10 years old and no health issues or allergies.
Don't worry - it be held against you! I would love to see a photo when her ears pop up! She looks like a beauty!
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Thanks Jackie! I will try to get a picture. If they go up, typically it is when I have some treats in hand and no camera. I will try to get my husband to be ready with the camera. It does help too if I trim her ears as short as possible since I guess there is less weight. Sometimes only one goes up. Would love to get her to do this on command but no luck so far.
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Mia with Ears Up

I managed to get a picture of Mia with her ears up.
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