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Do you use a dog door with your Havanese?

I've always had a dog door with 24 hour outdoor access with my previous dogs. They were all larger breeds. In Florida I am afraid that the Havanese are too small... there are predatory birds (hawks, eagles, owls) that could easily carry off a small dog. Am I being too wary???
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I would not trust a small dog outside alone under those circumstances. We also have large birds of prey where we live, as well as foxes so Molly is never outside alone.
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I would not trust a small breed dog outdoors without supervision unless it were into a completely enclosed, covered run, anywhere in the US. Not sure about other parts of the world. Between raptors, coyotes big cats... there are just WAY too many dangers for small dogs. Coyotes are the biggest ones around here. They are right outside our fence several times a month.... and they can easily scale a 6 foot fence.
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I do let Perry out in the yard alone here - and we do have hawks, etc - but the yard is heavily covered with a tree that spans the whole yard and overhanging trees/ patio on the rest of the area so haven't worried because they generally need a decent open space to be able to swoop and then ascend again.... However, on my way into work today I saw a hawk swoop down on a small german shepherd size dog (didn't grab him, but did swoop down low enough that I think it must have lightly touched its back because it did flinch and veer away) - it was along a long open road, so my early theory is still likely, but I may be keeping a closer eye on him in the yard (though hard to do without keeping him confined during the day because my housekeeper really can't do that). Will see. I still think that the yard is covered well enough by the trees, but I'm thinking more on it now.
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My Hav is on the larger size but the advice in our area is not under 15lbs. I think I read somewhere else not under 20lbs! Even though our Hav is close to 15lbs, there is so much displacement and enough usual animal behavior due to land development in our area, I wouldn’t risk it. There was a large owl on our garage a couple of weeks ago! I don’t think the owl would go after our dog, it’s just unusual that it is hanging out in our neighborhood at all, so who knows what else is around.

That being said, if my yard was completely fenced, I wouldn’t have any problem letting my fully grown Hav outside to go potty for a couple of minutes while keeping the door open. Our side yard is so small, it’s the same distance from me as having him on a long leash. To me that’s not the same as letting him go outside unsupervised or allowing continuous outdoor access. It does mean I don’t have to find my shoes or I can keep sweeping the kitchen while I keep an eye on him through the glass patio door. I couldn’t have done this when he was a younger puppy regardless of whether or not my yard was safe because he needed to be taken out and given the instruction to “go potty,” along with the continued daily training that makes potty time quick and easy now.

I think you’re right to be cautious, especially with a puppy.
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No, I would never allow any dog to be outside alone. We also have snakes and big poisonous toads in my area. I would be concerned about barking for the sanity of my neighbors and then there is digging under the fence.
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Sally can’t help but get in trouble so she’s not allowed outside by herself. I think going outside with small dogs helps with potty training too. Sally is my first Havenese, my family has always been very loyal to Cocker Spaniels. Both Havenese and Cocker Spaniels really like to be with their people and they really like to please. Pottying outside is like a “trick” they show off. Sally and all the dogs I’ve had experience with have a really good potty record when someone goes outside with them. I will say, the smaller the dog the longer it takes. Sally is 13 months and she may have an accident now and then. My parents current dog is a cockapoo, she is 18 pounds and smaller than a cocker spaniel (25#). It took about 18 months to get the cockapoo accident free. Most of Sally’s accidents occur when she’s playing.


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I've ALWAYS had a doggie door, with a radio fence around our yard and radio collars, that delivers an uncomfortable buzz that keeps dogs in the yard. The almost half acre radio fence boundary surrounded our house. We live on 11-acres, out in the county where there is a lot of wild life. I had a Schnauzer and 15-20lb poodle who lived to be 17-years-old and died from old age more than 20 years ago. We currently have standard Golden-doodle who used the radio fence for the last six years.

I never thought about a wild animal or bird hurting my dogs or observed an issue. I have, however, worried about something coming into my house, but that has never happened.

People who tend to live on acreages or in areas that don't allow fences do use radio collars on their Havanese with success. You would not do this for a tiny puppy or dog. The problem with radio fences is they periodically go off. The battery goes down on the collar or fence. Lightening can damage the outside unit. Weed eaters can nip the lines. Or, any number of other things.

This is one of the reasons I made the decision to fence the yard. Our backyard is now fully enclosed with a doggie door that leads outside from the utility room. Our Havanese was one-year-old in Feb and weighs 12-13lbs.

When we leave the house, she's confined to our bedroom where she has a potty tray if she needs to go. She's indoor house trained, as well as, going outside. During the day she can goes in and out the doggie along with the Golden-doodle. At night she goes in and out until bedtime, where she's then confined to our bedroom.

Our closest neighbor who lives on 10-acres had a tiny Chihuahua. They worried about something getting their dog who had no fence boundary. Nothing bothered it.

I think, it's normal to worry about such things when you have a tiny and expensive dog. Twelve-thirteen pounds is small but not tiny. Of course, something could happen. There's not only wild animals but other dogs that can cause harm. It's just not very likely a Hawk is going to carry off a barking, wiggly 12-15lb Havanese. Or, that a coyote is going to jump fenced yard unless you are leaving food outside and they're desperate.

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I do let Perry out in the yard alone here - and we do have hawks, etc - but the yard is heavily covered with a tree that spans the whole yard and overhanging trees/ patio on the rest of the area so haven't worried because they generally need a decent open space to be able to swoop and then ascend again.... However, on my way into work today I saw a hawk swoop down on a small german shepherd size dog (didn't grab him, but did swoop down low enough that I think it must have lightly touched its back because it did flinch and veer away) - it was along a long open road, so my early theory is still likely, but I may be keeping a closer eye on him in the yard (though hard to do without keeping him confined during the day because my housekeeper really can't do that). Will see. I still think that the yard is covered well enough by the trees, but I'm thinking more on it now.
I think everyone has to weigh their own specific risks. I think that hawks are a MUCH lower risk for an adult Havanese than our HUGE Coyote problem here in the US.


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My Hav is on the larger size but the advice in our area is not under 15lbs. I think I read somewhere else not under 20lbs! Even though our Hav is close to 15lbs, there is so much displacement and enough usual animal behavior due to land development in our area, I wouldn’t risk it. There was a large owl on our garage a couple of weeks ago! I don’t think the owl would go after our dog, it’s just unusual that it is hanging out in our neighborhood at all, so who knows what else is around.

That being said, if my yard was completely fenced, I wouldn’t have any problem letting my fully grown Hav outside to go potty for a couple of minutes while keeping the door open. Our side yard is so small, it’s the same distance from me as having him on a long leash. To me that’s not the same as letting him go outside unsupervised or allowing continuous outdoor access. It does mean I don’t have to find my shoes or I can keep sweeping the kitchen while I keep an eye on him through the glass patio door. I couldn’t have done this when he was a younger puppy regardless of whether or not my yard was safe because he needed to be taken out and given the instruction to “go potty,” along with the continued daily training that makes potty time quick and easy now.

I think you’re right to be cautious, especially with a puppy.
We have had a number of instances of Coyotes taking 30 lb dogs here in eastern MA in the last year. An adult Havanese is no problem.

I let my guys go out in our backyard off leash also. By "supervise", I mean I keep an eye out. I am in the kitchen, watching, and can see in all directions. I don't necessarily go out there with them. When they were puppies, yes, I was out there with them, for several reasons. Safety, but also because that's what it takes to properly potty train.


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