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New experience for Snickers

Well, We had another interesting evening tonight. This time it was with Snickers. We'd gone out to dinner with the family for my Sister in Laws Birthday. When we got home we let the dogs out and when they came back in Lynda was petting Snickers when she said "What's this???" I looked and said that it sure looked like a tick. Where the heck did she pick up a tick?? We've never had a dog before, and had no clue how to remove it, so down to the emergency vet we went. I've now learned how to remove a tick from a dog!

I have to wonder where Snicks got the tick, and if she has more 'hiding' somewhere, and how the heck does one find a tick on a dog with fur as thick and long as these neezers have. I'll be talking to the vet when I take Snoopy in for his neutering on the 24th ....

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I used to work for an infectious disease guy and he had many people come in with tick-borne illness. Ticks cause Lyme disease, though I do not know if this also occurs in dogs. Lyme disease in people will result in a feeling of general malaise and severe achiness all over especially in the joints. A rash develops around the site of the tick bite. This rash looks like a bull's eye target. Often when bitten, the tick's body is inadvertently broken off but the head remains buried within the bit just under the bit. It may look like a large blackhead-type pimple. Ticks are picked up by brushing past where they are. They cluster near plants and trees in the woods. As you walk by they simply jump on. Kind of like if you walk by a dandilion flower that is in seed with its poofy white look. If you brush against it walking by you will be covered in dandilion seeds stuck to you which you can brush off, but ticks dont simply brush or fall off, they smell your blood and sink in. here is a c/p of how to remove them.
How to remove a tick

* Use a small pair of curved forceps or tweezers. Wear some sort of hand protection such as gloves so you don't spread pathogens from the tick to your hands.


* Using the tweezers, carefully flip the tick over onto its back. Grasp the tick firmly with the tweezers as close to the skin as possible. Apply gentle pulling until the tick comes free. Twisting or turning the tick does not make removal easier because the mouthparts are barbed; in fact, such actions may break off the head and mouthparts, thereby increasing the chances for infection.

Here is a website to check out.
http://www.emedicinehealth.com/ticks/article_em.htm

If I remember correctly, treatment for humans post tick bite is doxycycline 100 to 200 mg twice a day for 10 to 14 days. This med can not be taken by pregnant women or by children. I've no clue what med a dog would be given, if any, if they can even contract Lyme disease, but there you have it...not sure that this helps any, but its what I recall.
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We live right next to OLd Lyme, CT - the home of Lyme disease. Our dogs are constantly checked for ticks, are given Frontline, and also get a Lyme disease shot yearly. Dogs with long hair can get ticks as easily as short hair dogs. You have to check them daily.

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Yes, dogs get Lyme just as easily as people. And, untreated, or not treated long enough, and they can have all the long-term consequences of joint degradation and even cognitive impairment. Dogs do not get the bulls-eye rash (though people don't always either) even if you could see it on a long haired dog.

while Lyme is not common in all parts of the country, it is spreading, because people travel with their pets, the ticks drop off, and establish new areas of infection. This is true of other tick-borne diseases. My vet told me last summer that he had removed 5 lone star ticks (the northern end of the range used to be NJ) from dogs during the summer, and we are here in MA!!! Lone star ticks carry a different disease, but I can't remember now which one it is. There are 5 major tick-borne diseases in the U.S.:

ehrlichiosis
babesiosis
anaplasmosis
Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever
Lyme Disease

Which ones your dog is most likely to encounter depends on where you live. Here in N.E., we are "lucky" enough to have them all.

This is what Kodi's vet has told me in terms of a tick-disease protocol. I've checked with my two vet friends (one is a college professor and the other works for IDEXX, so both are at the top of their field) and they agree with my local vet.
Maintain your dog on some sort of tick preventative that is effective in your area. Remember that even a few warm days, even in mid-winter, can bring ticks back out. So if you DON'T use a flea/tick preventative in the winter (I don't) check even more carefully after an outing in warm winter weather.

Check you dog DAILY for ticks. The shorter period of time the tick is biting your dog, the less (that doesn't mean zero) chance of disease transmission.

If your dog shows any signs of lameness after a suspected tick bite, especially if the lameness moves from one joint to another seek medical attention immediately. Likewise, obviously, if your dog seems generally unwell, seek medical attention immediately. Make sure you tell the vet that your dog was bitten. If you know the kind of tick that bit your dog, that can help, so make yourself familiar with the the ticks common to your area.

Even if you dog never has a lame step or an off day, have him checked (via blood test) annually for tick-borne diseases. If he comes up positive, he should be treated.

All 3 of the vets I talked to feel that the Lyme vaccine is relatively useless and causes adverse reactions in too many dogs. Most dogs in N.E. sero-convert for Lyme by the time they are 3 years old. Once they convert, and have been treated, they are better protected than they could possibly be by the vaccine.
Obviously, the exact protocol for dealing with tick-borne diseases will vary, depending on what part of the country you live in, how prevalent ticks are (drier areas have less ticks). But I think you have to be extra-cautious and know more about these diseases yourself if you live in a part of the country where they are LESS common. The problem is so well known here in N.E., that I think most good, up to date vets are following a similar protocol. In other parts of the country, your concerns about tick-borne disease might be taken too lightly. Every day these diseases are in a dog's (or human's!) body, they are doing irreparable harm. It is REALLY important to treat them early and aggressively.

My vet told me that since they have gone to the above protocol, the number of problems with arthritic joints in older dogs has dropped dramatically. It turns out that a lot of the arthritis problems that had been chalked up to poor conformation or over breeding were actually the ravages of untreated Lyme disease.


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Thanks everyone for the input. We knew about the Lyme Disease, and we don't (or haven't yet) had an issue with it here on the left coast. I was just so surprised to see her with one because while she loves being outside she's never off property, and we don't have much in the way of plant or leaf stuff, Plus we don't have animals running around the back yard (with the exception of a squirrel or two). I'm thinking she picked it up while on a walk, and yesterday was the first real nice winter weather we've had in a month so perhaps the ticks decided it was time to come out and play. I mean we live in a nice suburban area, no forests or woods 'real close'...

Anyway - I'll keep my eyes open. and it looks like we'll be switching from Sentinal to Frontline for the dogs in the future.

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I was shocked to find a tick on a dog who is staying with us yesterday. It hasn't been above freezing in at least a week and we have snow on the ground. It amazed me that there was still ticks lurking! Be careful.


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In the spring I have to admit I often find ticks on me. I have been removing the invasive plants and planting native plants and freeing up seedlings in the woods behind my house. We have a fenced part of the yard and built a deck off the house in that part just for the dogs. Even though they do not go in the woods there are ticks, I do not use pine mulch, Ticks love pine trees and pine mulch!!!! Everynight during warm to hot days I use a flea comb on all the dogs. My DH laughs. I have only found two on Yogi and they were not biting yet they were rideing around (most probably looking for me). This is a small price to pay for their lovely coats. I find way more ticks on me and I do use spray. I have found Frontline still works for us with both fleas and ticks. In some parts of the country for ticks during the hot months frontline is to be used 2x a month. I only know this because my Dad lives in Scottsdale and he use to do have his dogs do tracking.

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In the spring I have to admit I often find ticks on me. I have been removing the invasive plants and planting native plants and freeing up seedlings in the woods behind my house. We have a fenced part of the yard and built a deck off the house in that part just for the dogs. Even though they do not go in the woods there are ticks, I do not use pine mulch, Ticks love pine trees and pine mulch!!!! Everynight during warm to hot days I use a flea comb on all the dogs. My DH laughs. I have only found two on Yogi and they were not biting yet they were rideing around (most probably looking for me). This is a small price to pay for their lovely coats. I find way more ticks on me and I do use spray. I have found Frontline still works for us with both fleas and ticks. In some parts of the country for ticks during the hot months frontline is to be used 2x a month. I only know this because my Dad lives in Scottsdale and he use to do have his dogs do tracking.
The ticks just waved their feet and laughed at Frontline on Kodi. We needed to switch to Advantix. But you're right, it does seem to depend what area of the country you're in what works best.


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