Dogs and HOAs - Havanese Forum : Havanese Forums
 32Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 29 (permalink) Old 04-29-2019, 09:57 AM Thread Starter
Arf! Arf!
 
Ricky Ricardo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Southern California & Baja California
Posts: 1,603
Submit Photo: 4
Photo Submissions 34 Times in 34 Posts
Dogs and HOAs

Quote:
Originally Posted by EvaE1izabeth View Post
Our neighborhood is new constructions and was originally planned with walking trails and two dog parks, one very small, leash required area with just a tunnel and a hill, and a larger fenced dog park in the final phase. This attracted a LOT of dog people. Later the city withdrew their approval for the second dog park because of some zoning issues they should have known about before they approved it. I bet you can imagine how those HOA meetings go, along with the posts on the neighborhood Facebook group!
Quote:
Originally Posted by mudpuppymama View Post
I bet these are some “lively” discussions! In our neighborhood lots of the controversies do involve dogs. The current complaint is that dogs are peeing on mail boxes and killing the plants there. I imagine this will be a heated topic at the upcoming meeting. A few years ago there was an all out war over whether to spend extra funds on landscaping or save for future road maintenance. Some are still not speaking to this day over this...no more HOAs for me!
Now you have hit on a subject I know a thing or two about because I have seen a thing or two!

Momi, Popi, and Ricky live in a large 1800+ single family home, gated HOA. The community has been under construction for the last 13 years by a large, national developer and will be completely built out by the end of this year. We have 3000+ residents and an estimated 1000+ dogs in residence. The community consists of several hundred acres with about 50% mandated to remain in natural open space which consists of wildlife habitat, wetlands, and hiking trails within the fenced area and open only to residents of the community. There are over 6 miles of maintained walking trails that are handicapped accessible and open to dogs on leash, but no bicycles allowed. The developer has put in "poop stations" along the trails and sidewalks that are maintained by the HOA with waste disposal containers and poop bag dispensers. Although we have over 20 special interest groups, community surveys show that "walking" is the number one community priority (with the wine club being number 2 ). Momi and Popi have lived here about 7 years.

Ricky came to his forever home in November, 2014. Dog ownership in our community was very controversial and divisive at that time with a movement to ban dogs completely. And Momi and Popi were upset with the conditions too. Although we had poop stations, many owners were not picking up after their dogs and poop was being left on the sidewalks and on the trails, the situation was intolerable. A majority of the Board of Directors were openly hostile to dog ownership.

That same month Ricky came to live with us as a 9 month old, Popi started the Dog Owners Group (D.O.G.) for members of our community. Popi has some considerable experience in elected politics, community organization, and establishing goals and objectives. My objectives were threefold:
1. provide a social network for dog owners and their dogs
2. provide a lobbying effort to protect dog owner rights and educate the community about the benefits of dog ownership
3. educate dog owners about personal responsibility for their dog, the benefits of dog training, and the importance of complying with community rules and leash laws.

It was a tall order but the response has been overwhelming. Today, D.O.G. is the largest special interest group in our community with several hundred members. We have regular monthly meetings, weekly "pack walks" (that attract as many as 20 dogs at a time from 5 pounds to over 100 pounds who walk together in trained harmony), and through organization we have elected a BOD who are supportive of dogs and their owners. Our community is now spic and span clean from dog waste. Dog owners now not only pick up after their own dog, but also pick up errant waste left by others. I ALWAYS pick up after Ricky, but I hate picking up after other dogs but do it anyway. Our members have established a policy to report owners to management who they see don't pick up after their dog. It is a tough policy (tough love) but it has been very effective.

From the very beginning, Popi worked with the members of D.O.G. to establish a private, fenced, off leash dog park within our gates. The concept was extremely controversial at the time - too expensive, too many barking dogs, too much poop, too many dog fights, not in my back yard, etc. Our group worked hard to elect a sympathetic B.O.D. (we now have considerable political clout), find a suitable location, establish very strict rules for use, and justify the expense. Popi also had himself appointed to a Community Planning advisory committee by the BOD to advise on, among other things, a fenced off leash area!

It has been almost 5 years now but we should start construction on our "dog park" this summer! Popi has many faults and one of them is incorrigible persistence! Once he is focused on an issue, he just won't let it go. He is like a Havanese with a bully stick in his mouth! There have been highs and lows in this endeavor over the last 5 years but it will be worth it. We have conducted field trips to public dog parks for 'non-believers' to demonstrate the pros and cons of dog parks, we have found an acre of beautiful flat land in the protected area that is away from homes, AND the developer has agreed to pay for installation of the fenced area - fencing, poop stations, benches, landscaping, irrigation, etc. NO COST TO HOA MEMBERS! You see, once the developer started hinting at their sales office about a private dog park, sales shot up! The rules for using the park are strict - proof of personal liability insurance, dogs must meet minimal behavioral standards (or else off to doggie training boot camp provided by D.O.G.), proof of vaccinations, city dog license, etc. Not everyone is happy (both owners and non-owners) but the vast majority are happy and the end is in sight.

Living in an HOA has it's pros and cons. It isn't perfect, but what is? For Momi, Popi, and Ricky the pros far outweigh the cons in our particular and specific situation. To make your HOA better, you need to become involved, whether it be participating in activities, participating in meetings, taking ownership and pride in the community, and sometimes, just sometimes, becoming a community activist to make things happen. HOA living is not for everyone, but it works for us and our interests - D.O.G., ballroom dance club, bicycle club, counter-culture film club, custom car club, political party club, gardening club, etc.

Well, it is time for Ricky and me to go on our daily 2 1/2 mile morning walk along sidewalks and trails. Ricky will meet many of his doggie amigos for a little play and I will meet with residents, both dog owners and not, for a little social interaction. Everybody knows Ricky by sight and name and want to play with him but many can't remember what my name is (which is good because an effective community activist always wants to blend into the background! )

Ricky's Popi.

Tigerlily's Welcome to the Jungle (Ricky Ricardo) (AKC titles) CGC, BN


Last edited by Ricky Ricardo; 04-29-2019 at 10:08 AM.
Ricky Ricardo is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 29 (permalink) Old 04-29-2019, 10:38 AM
Junior Member
 
LynneMLopez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Orlando, FL area
Posts: 10
Submit Photo: 0
Photo Submissions 0 Times in 0 Posts
1000X Likes!!!

I was the president of the HOA at our last home. People not cleaning up after their pets was a huge challenge in our tiny 75 home community.

We moved 2 miles up the road to a large wooded lot and no HOA.

There are definitely pros/cons. Your neighborhood sounds lovely... great job!!
LynneMLopez is offline  
post #3 of 29 (permalink) Old 04-29-2019, 10:52 AM
Mudpuppymama
 
mudpuppymama's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 269
Submit Photo: 0
Photo Submissions 6 Times in 6 Posts
I agree there are pros and cons. This sounds like a wonderful community. All human organizations have their challenges and are not perfect. We have a 210 acre property we hope to move to. An HOA is not for me as I would like to have a garden and chickens and do other things which our HOA will never approve. I am a country girl and long to get out of the city. However, country life is not for everyone. To each his own.
mudpuppymama is offline  
 
post #4 of 29 (permalink) Old 04-29-2019, 11:44 AM Thread Starter
Arf! Arf!
 
Ricky Ricardo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Southern California & Baja California
Posts: 1,603
Submit Photo: 4
Photo Submissions 34 Times in 34 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by LynneMLopez View Post
People not cleaning up after their pets was a huge challenge in our tiny 75 home community.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mudpuppymama View Post
An HOA is not for me as I would like to have a garden and chickens and do other things which our HOA will never approve.
We belong to two HOAs, the large one in Californation and a small 88 unit one in Mexico. Small HOAs are definitely more challenging with more problems than a large one, in my experience. The one in Mexico has been a mess, run by a dentist from New Mexico. But that has all changed in March when a majority of owners threw out the old BOD regime and elected all new officers (bet you can't guess who organized that!). We'll see if they are any better.

We do have horse oriented HOAs on large acreage lots in our area where chickens, goats, sheep, llamas, etc. are permitted. They would not be appropriate for me but they are very popular with waiting lists to get in.

I have been president of a 200+ unit HOA at a previous Californation residence. One two year term and I had enough and did not run for re-election. Not a fun experience. (one resident pouring pots of her own urine on the landscaping around her house because she didn't like what the HOA planted!) Momi said if I ever did that again, she would divorce me...............and I believed her!
krandall, Heather's and Jeanniek like this.

Tigerlily's Welcome to the Jungle (Ricky Ricardo) (AKC titles) CGC, BN


Last edited by Ricky Ricardo; 04-29-2019 at 12:01 PM.
Ricky Ricardo is offline  
post #5 of 29 (permalink) Old 04-29-2019, 12:05 PM
Senior Member
 
Tere's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Tampa Bay, Florida
Posts: 225
Submit Photo: 5
Photo Submissions 4 Times in 4 Posts
Ricky's Popi, I wish we were neighbors! My Shadow would be Ricky's BFF!
Every HOA is different and not everyone is suited for HOA living. I wish people would carefully consider this before moving into a HOA community although in my area, it is hard to avoid. My community sounds similar to yours but without the dog park! There is a huge county dog park 2 miles away though. We have the pet clean up stations(complete with bags) and many people do not cleanup after their pets! Some use the bags and simply leave them for the staff to pick up. Most people here are very good about cleaning up after their dogs except for my next door neighbors who have a fenced yard with 3 dogs. It is a very small yard and loaded with piles that stink. They use a lawn maintainance company and those guys have to work through the poop. It is next to my pool and the aroma is overwhelming! It takes all kinds of people.
You are so right about getting involved in your community! It makes things so much better. Our HOA was anti fence because of dogs. I fought hard to get them to allow fences 20 something years ago since my dog loved to play in the yard. It has backfired on me with my new neighbors though. It is a good thing that the neighbors are nice people and their dogs are friendly. It could be worse!
Good work on your DOG group! It sounds wonderful and I hope Ricky enjoys the new dog park!
gelbergirl and Ricky Ricardo like this.
Tere is offline  
post #6 of 29 (permalink) Old 04-29-2019, 09:12 PM
Mudpuppymama
 
mudpuppymama's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 269
Submit Photo: 0
Photo Submissions 6 Times in 6 Posts
Rickyís Popi. Our HOA is small, only 25 homes each on three acres. I think smaller does make things more difficult. Most people are wonderful but there are a few that seem to like to stir things up. What is the saddest part is that people cannot seem to respect each otherís opinions on things and can sometimes be quite rude and hurtful.
mudpuppymama is offline  
post #7 of 29 (permalink) Old 04-29-2019, 10:24 PM Thread Starter
Arf! Arf!
 
Ricky Ricardo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Southern California & Baja California
Posts: 1,603
Submit Photo: 4
Photo Submissions 34 Times in 34 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by mudpuppymama View Post
Rickyís Popi. Our HOA is small, only 25 homes each on three acres. I think smaller does make things more difficult. Most people are wonderful but there are a few that seem to like to stir things up. What is the saddest part is that people cannot seem to respect each otherís opinions on things and can sometimes be quite rude and hurtful.
You live on 3 acres and the HOA won't allow you to have a garden or half dozen chickens? That's bizarre!

Ricky's Popi

Tigerlily's Welcome to the Jungle (Ricky Ricardo) (AKC titles) CGC, BN

Ricky Ricardo is offline  
post #8 of 29 (permalink) Old 04-29-2019, 11:16 PM Thread Starter
Arf! Arf!
 
Ricky Ricardo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Southern California & Baja California
Posts: 1,603
Submit Photo: 4
Photo Submissions 34 Times in 34 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tere View Post
Ricky's Popi, I wish we were neighbors! My Shadow would be Ricky's BFF!
Ricky, Momi, and I wish you were our neighbor too. Ricky is always looking for new BFFs. Your Shadow looks like he would be exactly what Ricky is looking for.
Quote:
Every HOA is different and not everyone is suited for HOA living. I wish people would carefully consider this before moving into a HOA community although in my area, it is hard to avoid. My community sounds similar to yours but without the dog park! There is a huge county dog park 2 miles away though. We have the pet clean up stations(complete with bags) and many people do not cleanup after their pets! Some use the bags and simply leave them for the staff to pick up. Most people here are very good about cleaning up after their dogs except for my next door neighbors who have a fenced yard with 3 dogs. It is a very small yard and loaded with piles that stink. They use a lawn maintainance company and those guys have to work through the poop. It is next to my pool and the aroma is overwhelming! It takes all kinds of people.
You are so right about getting involved in your community! It makes things so much better. Our HOA was anti fence because of dogs. I fought hard to get them to allow fences 20 something years ago since my dog loved to play in the yard. It has backfired on me with my new neighbors though. It is a good thing that the neighbors are nice people and their dogs are friendly. It could be worse!
Good work on your DOG group! It sounds wonderful and I hope Ricky enjoys the new dog park!
You have a tough situation with your neighbor. I have something similar. My neighbor across the street uses 100% of his garage for storage. He parks both of his cars in his driveway but frequently he will park his car in front of our house. Why doesn't he park in front of his house? Our living area faces onto the street. His living area faces onto his backyard. We have a "beautiful" view of his car sometimes. It is annoying to me, but not so much to Momi. It is not worth the potential for hard feelings to say something about it. He is the nicest man and would do anything for me. In this case he is just being thoughtless and nothing intentional. Momi is right, just ignore it and get on with enjoying our life.

Regarding your neighbor, it is a health issue. Dog waste, besides smelling bad, can attract vermin such as rates. I ALWAYS accompany Ricky when he goes into our fenced yard to relieve himself. I pick up any waste immediately in a bag and dispose of it in a small metal trash container with a tight fitting lid - no smell and unsanitary conditions. We do have rats, rabbits, bobcats, and coyotes in our neighborhood that are attracted to canine feces. I am opposed to doggie doors in our situation. I insist on being "eyes on" whenever Ricky goes outdoors to keep him safe from predators and keep our yard sanitary.

Perhaps you could go to your neighbor and explain that the odor is getting a little strong in your backyard and offer to pick up the poop and dispose of it for him, without being confrontational. I'm sure he just hasn't thought about the condition of his yard has an affect on you. Chances are he will be more aware in the future and make an effort to keep his yard cleaner. I would be interested to hear what others on HF might suggest. Good fortune to you Tere, I know exactly how you feel and sympathize.

Ricky's Popi

Tigerlily's Welcome to the Jungle (Ricky Ricardo) (AKC titles) CGC, BN


Last edited by Ricky Ricardo; 04-29-2019 at 11:19 PM.
Ricky Ricardo is offline  
post #9 of 29 (permalink) Old 04-30-2019, 07:22 AM
Mudpuppymama
 
mudpuppymama's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 269
Submit Photo: 0
Photo Submissions 6 Times in 6 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricky Ricardo View Post
You live on 3 acres and the HOA won't allow you to have a garden or half dozen chickens? That's bizarre!

Ricky's Popi
Yes it is!
mudpuppymama is offline  
post #10 of 29 (permalink) Old 04-30-2019, 09:09 AM
Senior Member
 
Tere's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Tampa Bay, Florida
Posts: 225
Submit Photo: 5
Photo Submissions 4 Times in 4 Posts
I clean up immediately and use a Litter Genie for the bags so they are not around stinking. My Shadow does not use our fenced yard much since we are out walking 3 times a day!
Our yards are quite small since the homes and pools take up most of the lot. So his fenced area is 8 feet from my pool area. His dog bathroom area is only about 20X25 and right beside his pool(which his 2 kids use and scream at whenever they are home), so he has to know it stinks. They are very busy people with too many animals. Three dogs and they take in rescues all the time. Three rabbits too(indoor). Both adults work and anything around the house is hired out. Maybe I should suggest a poop picking up service? Or tell him about my Litter Genie?
Now that temperatures are over 90 degrees everyday, he will realize how bad this smells. His yard service had the gates open the other day and there were easily 50 piles in that small area!
Some people are just inconsiderate. Parking is a problem here too. Every home has a 2 or mostly 3 car garage but they are mostly filled with junk! And quite a few people refuse to use their driveways.
After being involved with HOAs for 35 years, I realize that you just can't fix people!
Tere is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Havanese Forum : Havanese Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome