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When did your Hav have their 1st. Dental Cleaning? Extractions?

Shadow is 2yrs/2mo now. He has an underbite with his front lower teeth crammed in and crooked. Before I got him at 10 months, some puppy teeth were extracted because they did not fall out and the adult teeth came in.
He is very uncooperative about brushing and does not like his teeth looked at, but I try. Today I noticed how crusted some of teeth are. Then I noticed a tooth that looked weird. It is loose, very loose.
I'm so afraid for the little guy. Probably because my last dog got very sick following a routine cleaning. I still don't know what happened but it marked the beginning of years of health issues.
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Molly is five and has not had a dental cleaning where she is put under anesthesia. She does allow the vet to scrape a little tartar off her teeth when she has had some so that is helpful. She had extractions of baby teeth and two adult teeth when she was under one year old because she has such a small mouth. Crowded teeth do invite dental problems so that along with a loose tooth definitely means a trip to the vet is in order.



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Perry is 3. The vet looked at his teeth in December and said they were perfect and didn't need anything yet. He does chew a lot on antlers, himalayan chews, etc - but it might also just be decent dental genes (maybe to make up for his bad leg genes )
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Shadow was at the vet two months ago for his rabies/annual checkup and a month ago for his other vaccinations. The vet only looked at his teeth after I mentioned they looked dirty. He said no cleaning yet, try harder with brushing and give him Virbac dental chews.
But yesterday I managed to get a good look in his mouth and was shocked at how bad his teeth look. And I noticed the loose one. It's a premolar and the premolars are barely visible from the gumline.
I think Shadow is going to be a very big dental problem dog considering the structure of his jaw.
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Ricky gets his teeth cleaned by a Vet about once a year. Although anesthetics can cause issues in some dogs, teeth in poor condition can be equally bad. The Vet gives Ricky a very mild anesthetic that puts him in la-la land rather than putting him completely out. Ricky tolerates it well so far with no reaction. Trying to brush Ricky's teeth is an exercise in futility. Perhaps I am just not patient enough.

From what you describe, it sounds like the Shadow needs to make another visit to his Vet for an analysis. Talk to your Vet about your concerns with anesthetics. Perhaps s/he can suggest alternatives.

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My Ricky! I love to hear about Ricky and the love you have for him. It makes me happy!
I know exactly what the vet will say about Shadow's teeth and my concern. I can almost write the script! I am not even going to bother taking him in for a look. I might as well just schedule the cleaning and avoid the visit. It will just mean more money and I know what is going to happen.
I am guessing the cleaning will be $450. plus extractions.
I am worried that the one loose tooth is only the tip of the iceberg. So scared.
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I completely understand your concern, and I would be apprehensive too - totally natural.

$450 is a lot to spend for cleaning teeth. We don't even keep track of what we spend on Ricky each year we don't want to know! As far as cleaning teeth, we get a deal. We have his teeth cleaned when in residence in Mexico by a very professional young Vet who is up on all the latest, current research..........US$40. We have him groomed once a week while here by Luz Lucaya - hair cut (trim or complete cut as desired), bath, brush out - the works.......US$25 plus generous tip. Last week when we took Ricky in to Luz' shop, she was working on Oakley a gorgeous grey and white Havanese who had just had a puppy cut. He was the friendliest, sweet guy about Ricky's size. We asked Luz where he lived but she did not know. We would really like to connect with his owners. Ricky goes in again this next Wednesday at noon for another spa treatment before we return to California later this week. I will try to remember to take a picture of Luz and Ricky together.

Oh, BTW, despite what one national figure says, Mexico IS NOT a "sugar hole" country filled with murderers, rapists, and drug dealers. It is a beautiful country, filled with wonderful people, and perfectly safe if you don't go into a back alley at 3 a.m. looking for drugs (usually sold by a visiting American) or a prostitute. Today for lunch, I think Momi and I will share a plate of "alambres" - thin sliced BBQ pork, diced bacon, mild chilis, and cheese - all wrapped in fresh off the grill tortillas for US$8. Oh, that is enough for us to share and take half of it home to share the left overs for dinner. The portions are huge! After lunch, decisions, decisions, lay around the pool (mid 80's temperature) or go bike riding on the beach. Every morning we walk with Ricky along the golf course for about three miles. The first half of the trip is uphill with beautiful views of the turquoise waters of the Sea of Cortez at the top and then back down to our casa. As I post this, I am looking out at the beach and water about 100 yards distant as I sit in my deck chair. Ricky is napping at my feet, stretched out on the cool tile floor. Our place near Cabo San Lucas is about as close to paradise as we'll ever get. And Ricky gives it two paws up, waaay up.

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I brush my dogs' teeth 3 or more times per week, and their teeth are checked by the vet at least yearly. All of mine have good bites with no crowding. Here is what the vet says at this point:

Kodi, 10 years old: A little tartar, no sign of periodontal disease, "If he were mine, I'd hold off" (that's what I'm doing)

Pixel, 4 years old, small mouth, (small DOG!) and kind of a worm when brushing: Lots of tartar, needs a professional cleaning, will be scheduled soon... when I am feeling better.

Panda, 3 1/2 years old: Sparkling clean teeth, look like they were just clean. Don't need anything, keep up the good work.

Every dog is different. Work with your vet to decide what is right for your particular dog. A lot depends on conformation of the mouth, genetics, and hygiene. The last, you have control over, the first two you really don't.
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So I called my longtime vet. The cleaning is $350 plus IF I want pre-surgery bloodwork, another $80 plus any medications. Plus a visit presurgery $50. Plus extractions. I was wrong, it will probably end up being well over $500. depending on how many extractions are needed. I am a little concerned that he would do surgery without bloodwork. His pricing has gotten crazy lately so I will consider another vet.

Another vet that other people really like charges $317(that included bloodwork) and minor, easy extractions and a free visit to see if cleaning is needed. The prices go up from there depending on the amount of cleaning needed.

I wonder if maybe I should go for the free visit, see what they say about his teeth. That tooth is so loose that it may fall out.
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I'm so sorry to hear about the decisions you are having to make for Shadow's teeth. Our sweet dogs are definitely not easy-care, are they?

Tucker is 12 and has never had (or needed) his teeth cleaned, nor any extractions. I do give him moose antlers or Himalayan chews occasionally, and once in awhile I brush his teeth. He's got excellent dental genes. (He's got his share of expensive health issues in having IBD, though.) Genetics, genetics...

Good luck in figuring out the best route for your Shadow.

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