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Thanks to all! I am getting more emboldened about growing out his coat. No show dog here, but the idea that the coat will STOP growing (my previous dog was part poodle, and it would never stop...) and that it can be maintained with trimming and grooming is really interesting. Have never shaved a dog except for surgical sites, so the longish puppy cut is our choice for now. But he is only a year old, and we are aware that the coat can change.
Poodles hair will stop too. All hair stops, dies, and is replaced by a new hair. It's a matter of when, and whether you want to deal with the matting of a curly coat like a poodle until you see how long it gets before it reaches it's natural full length.


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Anyway ... if there is a reason why simply cutting Havanese harms the beauty, lushness and texture of hair growth, should one decide to later let it grow long - I'd like to know.
This is the second article that davetgabby posted:

https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.co...dog-in-summer/

It lists four ways to help your dog stay cool after having your groomer help you remove the undercoat (with proper combs/brushes and/or a high powered dryer).

It says "shaving a double-coated breed can really ruin the coat" and goes on to explain why. Most of the articles I've read suggest that keeping your dog in a longer puppy cut is OK whereas shaving is the real thing to avoid. But the author of this one says she made the mistake of getting her Samoyed a "teddy bear" cut. She explains in detail how this cut (not shave . . .) ruined his coat.

I find this topic very interesting because people are constantly criticizing me for keeping Shama in a full coat. They think I'm torturing her in the summer.

Here are some photos we took of Shama at my parent's house in northern Minnesota on August 20, 2019.
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Here are some photos we took of Shama at my parent's house in northern Minnesota on August 20, 2019.
Every time you post pictures of Shama my kids go crazy. She epitomizes the perky, sweet personality of Havanese, and she’s so well behaved!
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This is the second article that davetgabby posted:

https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.co...dog-in-summer/

It lists four ways to help your dog stay cool after having your groomer help you remove the undercoat (with proper combs/brushes and/or a high powered dryer).

It says "shaving a double-coated breed can really ruin the coat" and goes on to explain why. Most of the articles I've read suggest that keeping your dog in a longer puppy cut is OK whereas shaving is the real thing to avoid. But the author of this one says she made the mistake of getting her Samoyed a "teddy bear" cut. She explains in detail how this cut (not shave . . .) ruined his coat.

I find this topic very interesting because people are constantly criticizing me for keeping Shama in a full coat. They think I'm torturing her in the summer.

Here are some photos we took of Shama at my parent's house in northern Minnesota on August 20, 2019.
Our groomer has Pomeranians. She said cutting the coat will forever destroy it because it changes the texture. I remember a few years ago a groomer here on HF shaved her Havanese. She then posted monthly pictures of the dogs coat for one year. It was interesting watching the growth of the coat.

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The main reason I keep Mia in a short puppy cut is because it is quicker and easier to do frequent tick checks. Every time I let her grow longer I will miss an occasional tick. Shorter hair makes it super easy to brush and comb her thoroughly. Her hair is silky and I can even use a rolling pin flea comb on her which removes dead skin and loose hair, as well as finding ticks. I also use topical tick repellent spray on her which is easily brushed out when her hair is short. I live in an area densely populated by deer and ticks are everywhere. Ehrlichiosis is epidemic which can be transmitted by the lone star tick in as little as three hours. In winter I keep her in a longer puppy cut. She has very nice fur and none of these cuts have damaged it.
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It is true, they have beautiful coats, and it is a breed characteristic. However, I am most interested in comfort for my dog, as I did not get one for the coat per se, but rather personality. If he were MORE comfortable in hot and humid weather with a full coat, I would do it, and maintain it. But if it is torturous, and it would be cooler to have it shorter, then for the sake of the dog, I would do that. The problem is he will not tell me!! HE seems to be more active and playful when it is in a shorter puppy cut.
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This is the second article that davetgabby posted:

https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.co...dog-in-summer/

It lists four ways to help your dog stay cool after having your groomer help you remove the undercoat (with proper combs/brushes and/or a high powered dryer).

It says "shaving a double-coated breed can really ruin the coat" and goes on to explain why. Most of the articles I've read suggest that keeping your dog in a longer puppy cut is OK whereas shaving is the real thing to avoid. But the author of this one says she made the mistake of getting her Samoyed a "teddy bear" cut. She explains in detail how this cut (not shave . . .) ruined his coat.

I find this topic very interesting because people are constantly criticizing me for keeping Shama in a full coat. They think I'm torturing her in the summer.

Here are some photos we took of Shama at my parent's house in northern Minnesota on August 20, 2019.
How did you post these beautiful photos inside your comment section? Thanks for the help?
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Our groomer has Pomeranians. She said cutting the coat will forever destroy it because it changes the texture. I remember a few years ago a groomer here on HF shaved her Havanese. She then posted monthly pictures of the dogs coat for one year. It was interesting watching the growth of the coat.
There is a HUGE difference between double coated, shedding breeds and a Havanese coat. While our breed is supposed to have an udercoat, they do NOT have a harsh outer coat that is shed seasonally. So the article about not cutting “double coated breeds” really do not pertain to ours. While there are very good reasons not to SHAVE any dog for other than medical purposes, cutting a Havanese coat down, then letting them grow back out does not typically damage the coat long-term. It just takes a LONG time (up to 3 years!) for it to reach full length again.

And a Havanese should never have its undercoat stripped as you would a northern breed.


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It is true, they have beautiful coats, and it is a breed characteristic. However, I am most interested in comfort for my dog, as I did not get one for the coat per se, but rather personality. If he were MORE comfortable in hot and humid weather with a full coat, I would do it, and maintain it. But if it is torturous, and it would be cooler to have it shorter, then for the sake of the dog, I would do that. The problem is he will not tell me!! HE seems to be more active and playful when it is in a shorter puppy cut.
In terms of “damage”, any damage would be talking about a show coat. I would assume, if you are even contemplating a puppy cut, that showing is not even a consideration. So it really makes no difference at all. Do what seems best for him and for you! Neutering/spaying changes coat texture a lot more than cutting a Havanese coat.


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Mikki, you can drag photos into your reply just like you can drag photos into your post. You're welcome!

Mudpuppymama, I think cuts are usually fine. I only worry about double-coated dogs who are shaved.

Ltartof, did you read any of the articles referred to earlier in this thread? It is not torturous for a double-coated dog to be kept in a full coat. They are not cooler with a short coat. Your dog cannot tell you how he feels, but the articles can explain the difference between a long coat and a shaved coat to you. As far as your dog seeming more active and playful when he is in a puppy cut, see the end of Dr. Becker's article below:

Consider Your Dog's Personality When Deciding Whether to Shave

Groomers, animal welfare workers, veterinarians like me, and many pet guardians have seen two very different scenarios play out after a dog has been shaved.

The first scenario involves a dog who has been shaved for a good reason -- for example, a raging skin infection -- who reacts badly to having all her hair removed. Collies, in particular, often behave as though someone has stripped away their superpowers. They become depressed, upset, and even sad.

The flip side of the coin is a dog that enjoys having his coat removed. After being shaved, these dogs behave as though they've been set free from some kind of hair bondage! They act happier and friskier. As the groomer wields her razor, the dog comes alive, which is a really interesting phenomenon! However, it's important to note that these dogs aren't happy because they're cooler. They simply prefer short hair just as many humans do.

I'm a fan of "puppy cuts" for these dogs, which involves removing the long, annoying hair, but stops well short of a full buzz cut.


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