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Old 07-02-2019, 02:04 PM
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Sabine is also encouraging people to read the "whole" article here https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...ON+PACKAGE.pdf

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Old 07-02-2019, 02:41 PM
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I sort of concur with what Monica said at the end of her newsletter. "With so many unknowns many dog parents are simply going to feel more comfortable avoiding grain free, legume inclusive diets. "

If we assume that the FDA story is completely exaggerated and there's really nothing to see here and nothing to worry about... What is the harm in switching from Grain Free and those ingredients to a different food until we know for sure?
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Old 07-02-2019, 07:48 PM
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What is the harm in switching from Grain Free and those ingredients to a different food until we know for sure?

where it gets complicated for me is some of the other food issues. I've been feeding Henry 1/2 Orijens dry and 1/2 Stella and Chewys freeze dried. I switched for a while to a Fromm's with grain but he didn't like it much and I ended up going back to Orijens awaiting more info.

Well Orijens is on the list. But I selected Orijens because all their ingredients are locally sourced so nothing from China or other places with lax standards. And they make their own foods so they control the process. And because it has a high meat content it seems to be more palatable to dogs (I fed it to my previous dog as well.) That very high meat protein content also made me worry a bit less about the pea/lentils because they aren't relying on them as a protein source.

I would like to switch just to be safe but also want the new food to only use US/Canadian/other regulated places ingredients and to make their own food. Plus I'd prefer the grains to be oats/barley/rice vs corn/wheat. So far the one food that I like the best is Fromm's Gold Small Breed.
Unfortunately, he's not excited at all by this food. I was looking at Merrick's small breed which also isn't grain free but it does use peas and they're in the first 5 ingredients and they don't say definitely where their ingredients come from. And they're now owned by Purina.

If anyone has other suggestions, I'm interested.

At the moment, I don't want to take on cooking for Henry. That could change in a few months and solve all this.

And yes I probably am overthinking this. It's my nature.

I think my next step will be trying some other Fromm's. Maybe the Highlander Beef, Oats and barley.


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Old 07-04-2019, 08:08 AM
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@davegabby ... I read through all those articles you posted. Thanks!

My takeaway: Dilated Cardiomyopathy (DCM) related to dog food Grain Free or Grain Inclusive is another example of the "Publish or Parish" mentality and the media running with and publishing every unproven study as if it's true.

Feed you dog highly quality dog food that they like and stay away from feeding them a lot of exotic foods such as Kangaroo.


Below excerpts from articles that Dave posted links to:

.....DCM impacts less than one percent of U.S. dogs, with .000007% being supposedly related to diet

....DCM is a serious but rare condition. Of note, of the 77 million dogs in the U.S., 0.5% to 1% have DCM, and of those dogs with DCM, less than 0.1% are speculated to have DCM related to diet, although that is not scientifically proven. It is more prevalent in certain breeds, especially many larger dogs.

....Golden Retrievers are predisposed to taurine deficiency which can be linked to DCM. Goldens have been a focus of the studies. ((This is one small study and it also found - 23 out of 24 of these dogs were not getting enough to eat…the recommended amount of food for their size. More importantly, these dogs are genetically predisposed to DCM))

....of the 77 million dogs in the U.S., 0.5% to 1% have DCM, and of those dogs with DCM, approximately 0.1% are speculated to have DCM related to diet, although that is not scientifically proven. There is no causative scientific data drawing conclusions or providing any evidence that links our foods, any grain-free foods, or grain-based foods, whether kibble or air-dried, to DCM


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@davegabby ... I read through all those articles you posted. Thanks!

My takeaway: Dilated Cardiomyopathy (DCM) related to dog food Grain Free or Grain Inclusive is another example of the "Publish or Parish" mentality and the media running with and publishing every unproven study as if it's true.

Feed you dog highly quality dog food that they like and stay away from feeding them a lot of exotic foods such as Kangaroo.


Below excerpts from articles that Dave posted links to:

.....DCM impacts less than one percent of U.S. dogs, with .000007% being supposedly related to diet

....DCM is a serious but rare condition. Of note, of the 77 million dogs in the U.S., 0.5% to 1% have DCM, and of those dogs with DCM, less than 0.1% are speculated to have DCM related to diet, although that is not scientifically proven. It is more prevalent in certain breeds, especially many larger dogs.

....Golden Retrievers are predisposed to taurine deficiency which can be linked to DCM. Goldens have been a focus of the studies. ((This is one small study and it also found - 23 out of 24 of these dogs were not getting enough to eat…the recommended amount of food for their size. More importantly, these dogs are genetically predisposed to DCM))

....of the 77 million dogs in the U.S., 0.5% to 1% have DCM, and of those dogs with DCM, approximately 0.1% are speculated to have DCM related to diet, although that is not scientifically proven. There is no causative scientific data drawing conclusions or providing any evidence that links our foods, any grain-free foods, or grain-based foods, whether kibble or air-dried, to DCM


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Thanks or pulling those excepts out. It's helpful to have them all in one place like that! I know I'd read a lot and decided (with consult with my vet) that our current diet was still best for MY dogs at THIS time. But it's nice to have the interesting bits gathered together for when the subject comes up yet again.
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My baby boy Bailey is eating a holistic food for dogs called Solid Gold Mighty Mini for toy and small breeds he is a very picky eater this brand is grain and gluten free. It's suppose to be very healthy
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Hi Lisa can you post this info again thanks
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I have been giving my little darling Farmina N & D because of numerous studies I read about it being among the top 2 most nutritious and having the most protein, the right amount of fat, and the right amount of carbs. It is grain free but does have Taurine added. It is manufactured in Europe which is much stricter about dog food nutrition than the US. It conforms to AAFCO (US) standards also. Does anyone have any info that is negative about this dog food? I could not find anything negative — only positive and it has never been recalled like Hills Science Diet has.
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Totally unscientific editorial published by researchers who avoided peer review and are funded by "big kibble" companies.

Until I see a wolf out grazing grain in field, my dog eats grain-free. Kibble with grain gives him diarrhea.
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Please know that this is a problem! Thinking grain free was “good” for our dogs, that is what we have been feeding them. At my 1 yo last checkup, she was diagnosed with a heart murmur! As my doctor quizzed me on what she ate, she asked that I be very specific with the contents of her food. When I said Grain Free, she told me about the warming and told me to change her food right away. She gave me a list of acceptable foods. Get your Havanese off of grain free foods to be safe!

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