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Also, I wanted to add that I am using a nylon, round, pop up pen, rather than a wired pen. I hope that is OK too.
I actually used something like that for my Zumba. It was the Zamba Pet Folding Pen from Chewy. We had to stay longer than planned in NC after we got her because of a hurricane and my husband ended up in ICU. Good thing I had that playpen with me. I continued to use it at home, in the sewing room - - we had her regular play pen set-up, copying how Karen did it with Kodi, in the other side of the house. Though I preferred the latter because it gave her more room, the round nylon playpen worked. She had her sleeping area, where I had put her bed for sleeping. About a 1/3 of the way around I had her potty box and another 1/3 around I had her water and food bowl. Toys were between the water bowl and her bed. I felt the UgoDog took up too much room in that set-up, so eventually I replaced with the Blyss. This set-up worked well until she got bite-y. Since she was chewing up the playpen, I took it down.
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Thank you for your response.

Question: If I use a playpen that is just big enough for a bed and wee wee pad, then how can the puppy move around and play in that playpen? It seems that the puppy will sit in its own poop or pee!! Doesn't the pen have to be big enough for the puppy to move around a bit too??
This is JUST for potty training, and should be the focus of your time. They should not sit in their poop or pee, because you should clean it up as it happens. If you have to leave them for a longer period, then you will have to leave them in a larger set up, more like the top one, but unless they are already pretty well started, with a good understanding of where to potty, you are going to have to expect that there WILL be accidents to pick up, and they very well may step in them, even if there is more space.

But that's true even if you are doing all outdoor training. Where would you leave tho puppy when you were not able to watch it? What would you expect to happen in that space?


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Also, I wanted to add that I am using a nylon, round, pop up pen, rather than a wired pen. I hope that is OK too.
Not a great idea. Puppies can easily knock those over and chew or scratch their way out.


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Find another trainer. That one doesn't understand dogs very well. There is no reasoning on their part. It's all habit. We have a house full of Havanese that will use either indoor system, or outside.

Little puppies have to go Often. If they have an indoor option, it gives you time to have a life outside of raising a puppy.

The people who have the most indoor accidents, which becomes a habit you don't want to have to train out of, are people who only want their small dog to go outside.
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Makes sense. Should I train first on the inside pad and train after that is done to go outside?? Or can I train both inside and outside at the same time?

My pen is nylon. Will I have a problem with the puppy biting the pen and tearing it?
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Kojo has suddenly decided he does not like tray with pad (never liked the grate). So lays on soft clean pee pad as bed and pees anywhere else in playpen including his nice bed and very close to food and water. Only needs a couple of inches of free space. He is doing much better pooping outside but very unpredictable with pee. Acts like he's finished outside after 30 minutes of mostly sniffing yard and playing fetch. The second he's inside house pees on floor before I get there. So frustrating. So I have started carrying him in straight to playpen. Then pees on plastic tarp, not peepad.
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A dog trainer I recently contacted told me that he will not do indoor potty training because he does not believe it works successfully. By this He means that it is not reliable and the dog only uses an indoor potty 60% of the time. Can someone comment on their experiences with this potty method? Thank you.
Your trainer doesn't know how to do indoor potty training. Patti is 1.5 years old and reliably uses a potty tray. We have a second home and she uses the potty tray there, as well as, at our primary home. In fact, she prefers to use the potty tray over going outside, although she does potty outside as well. Patti instinctlively used the potty tray when she was 8 weeks old, without any encouragement. In the beginning we set up her ex-pen in a family-kitchen area. This one area of the house was blocked off. She could go back and forth from the ex-pen into this one room. Patti would go from the family-kitchen area into her ex-pen to potty. There were a couple of accidents but in the beginning we always had eyes on her if she was out running around loose - in the family-kitchen room - and quickly picked her up and put her on the potty tray. Patti was reliability potty trained to this one room almost immediately. After she was reliable in that one room, I started training her how to find the potty tray room by room. Until she was 10 months old, she did not have the run of the whole house. At that point, I knew she was reliable.

The key is you must start early, when they're only weeks old and always have eyes on them when they are out of the ex-pen, so they don't run off and pee in places you don't know about. We have a small place in the Rockies and no yard, requiring us to walk Patti. It's SUPER nice not to have to walk her four or five times a day, or when it's storming or in the middle of the night - unless we want to. We can go out for the day or evening and not worry about her having to go outside to do her job.

You can't do both at the same time - outdoor potty train and indoor potty train. Stick with the indoor potty training if that's what you want to do. That doesn't mean you don't take them outside and let them play, pee and poop. You just don't reward them for doing it outside until they're potty trained inside.
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Thank you. I hope it works well for me as well. My pup is about 10 weeks now and still with the breeder. I will pick up soon, but we have a hurricane now and I must wait another week. I am not sure if the breeder is doing wee wee pad training.
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Makes sense. Should I train first on the inside pad and train after that is done to go outside?? Or can I train both inside and outside at the same time?

My pen is nylon. Will I have a problem with the puppy biting the pen and tearing it?
It's good to have inside down good enough that it doesn't require treats. Our system doesn't use treats at all, to start with, but we start them at three weeks.

Once they are completely reliable inside, use the same command outside, but reward with a treat. They will start holding it, waiting to go outside for the reward.

They will always go outside, if out there long enough anyway, but it's nice that they can go on command too.
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Also, I wanted to add that I am using a nylon, round, pop up pen, rather than a wired pen. I hope that is OK too.
Your sharing is great, thanks. Karen, Kodi, Pixel, and Panda are lovely.
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