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Here was the one the girls both used. (The difference being, neither of them slept in here, so they didnít need a crate)...
Hi Karen, in the second picture you posted, what do you have on your floor, on top of your hardwood flooring?
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Hi Karen, in the second picture you posted, what do you have on your floor, on top of your hardwood flooring?
Itís a vinyl floor remnant from Home Depot. In the beginning we used some rolled marine sail cloth from Joann fabric. This is waterproof, but soft enough that puppy teeth can get hold of it and pull it up, making a mess!!! The floor vinlyl canít be moved once itís down with the pen on top of it! It has now lived through three puppies and is in perfect condition! It has been rolled up and stored in the basement between puppies. Thatís where it is again now!

(Plus it looks pretty nice, when you have to have it in your living space for at least 8 months!) when we took it up, our hardwood floor still looked pristine underneath.
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We spend 3-4 months a year on a boat where going outdoors is almost impossible. At home, Tina uses pee pads in the shower or goes outside. On the boat she always uses the pads unless we are ashore. To date, she has never made a mistake. Maybe the dog trainer is not as good a trainer as he thinks he is.
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I have heard trainers say this before and I think there is bias because people often seek out trainers for potty training issues. It starts to become easy to blame indoor potty instead of recognizing the difference in the physical development of a small dog, the time it can take, and the fact that there isnít nearly as much accessible information on indoor training so itís easy for new owners to make mistakes.

For me the red flag is the refusal to try something different. It signals a lack of flexibility in thinking -that trainer isnít looking for what will work best for you and your puppy, just in repeating what heís done before. A good trainer is actively reading you and the puppy and adapting, problem solving, breaking down behavior and steps based on goals.
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@Eva Elizabeth .... I agree, I think indoor house training is a rather new idea that dog trainers don't have experience doing. All dogs aren't probably a good fit for indoor house training such as large dogs. However, I read about two large poodles who were trained to use grass turf on a houseboat. Havanese MIGHT be easier to train because they are so smart.

The KEY is starting them as young puppies, preferably as early as Tom King does with his. Confining and Sticking with it.

OTOH ... there's is a lot of resistance to indoor house breaking and dog trainers probably aren't keen on the idea.
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Here was the one the girls both used. (The difference being, neither of them slept in here, so they didnít need a crate)...
Hi Karen, one more question on your second picture - can you please share which brand expen this is? And I think I may have read in another post somewhere that you also have a wooden one that you use (maybe)? If I'm not mistaken, would you mind sharing that one as well?

Thank you so much!
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Hi Karen, one more question on your second picture - can you please share which brand expen this is? And I think I may have read in another post somewhere that you also have a wooden one that you use (maybe)? If I'm not mistaken, would you mind sharing that one as well?

Thank you so much!
I believe the wooden crates you've seen on this website are made by Richell. Below are three types and three different views of a Richell Flip Crate, plus a Six Panel Gate, Ex-Pen or Crate and a Expandable Crate. I own two of Richell's (numerous) products: The 6-Panel Gate/Ex-Pen and the Expandable Crate. I'm not saying these are the best ... it's just what I happened to have chosen. There is an overwhelming amount of different options and choices on Amazon and the Internet.

I would suggest: whatever you get the height should be almost 3feet. These little dogs are able to jump 2 feet standing still and are climbers. An ex-pen that's five to six feet long ... IMO works best, as you will want more room as the puppy grows. All or the majority of these ex-pens need to sit next to a wall or something that provides stability along the bottom edge on at least one side, because they're light weight and can be easily moved around by a playful puppy.

I'm use a Mac OS and for some reason when I post pictures, they do not open on this website. However, you can click the links below and see the photos of the Richell products mentioned above.

One more thing ... you'll probably have this up for an extended period of time. I took my down at 10-months. I probably could have taken it down a little earlier but it's useful when you need a TIME OUT. I, also, had rooms gated off so I could watch her. She didn't not have the run of the house until 10 months, and even then it wasn't the whole house. Patti had her toys, food, water, bed and potty tray in the ex-pen and she freely wondered in and out for some time after she became reliable. When I took it down I left the potty tray food and water in the same location, until I transitioned her from that area.
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Hi Karen, one more question on your second picture - can you please share which brand expen this is? And I think I may have read in another post somewhere that you also have a wooden one that you use (maybe)? If I'm not mistaken, would you mind sharing that one as well?

Thank you so much!
Weíre camping ATM, and our wifi connection is a bit weak. For some reason, when ai go onto Amazon, I can see similar pens, bu t I canít get the link. I also know a friend recently bought one from Petco. If you search for tubular steel expen, you should find them.

I have never had one of the fancy wooden ones, though I drool over them. I am pretty sure the brand on those is Richell.


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...There is an overwhelming amount of different options and choices on Amazon and the Internet.

I would suggest: whatever you get the height should be almost 3feet. These little dogs are able to jump 2 feet standing still and are climbers. An ex-pen that's five to six feet long ... IMO works best, as you will want more room as the puppy grows. All or the majority of these ex-pens need to sit next to a wall or something that provides stability along the bottom edge on at least one side, because they're light weight and can be easily moved around by a playful puppy.
There ARE a ton of options, and I research everything to death, so it gets overwhelming, especially when there are mixed reviews on so many products. Thank you for the response. I just got back from PetSmart, just looking, not expecting to buy anything, and they had 2 Richell products left on clearance for $75 each (the expandable crate, and the 3-in-1 gate). At that price, I snatched them both up (I need a crate and a gate), but, the gate is the small and itís only 20" high so will probably return that one. The expandable crate is also the Small, at 24" high, but I figure at that price, I could add the wire top and still spend significantly less than the Medium (if I decide to stick with this style).

Whether I stick w/this or not - will most puppies just chew on the wood and destroy it anyway, or did you not experience that?

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Honestly, I only have one 30Ē expen, and rarely use that one because itís heavy to drag around. While itís true that any of my dogs COULD jump over a 24Ē expen, the fact is, not one of them ever challenge it, and never have. We even use this height when we are camping. No, we certainly never leave them unsupervised outdoors with this, but again, they COULD get out if they wanted, and they never try.

One thing to keep in mind is that puppies rarely jump out of expens anyway. If they are bent on escape, they typically are climbers. And if they can climb to the top of a 24Ē pen, they can climb to the top of a 48Ē pen. When they get to the top, they stand a MUCH bigger chance of hurting themselves jumping or falling off the other side. If you have an escape artist, IMO, you are much better off crating them, getting a cover for the expen, or gating them in a room with a gate that they canít climb.


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