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post #1 of 28 (permalink) Old 09-14-2019, 09:20 PM Thread Starter
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Hi, I just brought home a new 3 mo old puppy. I have started to do indoor potty training.

I have a few questions:

1. My puppy does go on paper, but I am finding that I must have paper available in several places depending on where in the house she is confined. Is this typical? For example, I have papers in each part of the house or playpen that I confine her. Right now she does not have the run of the entire house. I have several areas sectioned off. Is this a good strategy?

2. Once she is reliable to use paper all the time, how do I train her to go outside too? By this I mean, how do I train her to let me know that she has to go potty outside? Can this even be done?

3. Since I do confine her sometimes to smaller areas because I cannot keep an eye on her while I am getting ready to go out, etc, I have noticed that she does not like to be in a small area like a playpen, and one that is not near me. She will cry and carry on the entire time I am not within her sight. She even has managed to escape some gated areas by pushing the gate aside. Is this typical? I find that if I am not in the room with her, she is not happy. How do I stop this behavior since I cannot always be near her?

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I have never trained a dog to tell me they have to go potty outside but they all eventually did on their own. My last dog used to sit by the door. My Havanese will get in my face and paw at me or stand up on my legs when she needs to go out. For indoor potty training you will need to have the potty area in a small confined space at first. As they reliably go to the potty spot you can slowly expand the area as long as they continue to go to the spot. If you have multiple areas of the home your puppy is in I would have a potty area in those as well.
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thanks - so to be clear, you are saying that you trained your puppy to use an indoor potty, but eventually, they told you when they wanted to go outside? So they were not trained to go outside? They just eventually preferred outside without your encouragement? Is that right?
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thanks - so to be clear, you are saying that you trained your puppy to use an indoor potty, but eventually, they told you when they wanted to go outside? So they were not trained to go outside? They just eventually preferred outside without your encouragement? Is that right?
No, I think you misunderstood me. They are not going to tell you they want to potty outside unless you have been taking them outside to potty. Dogs will prefer outside to inside and you will have to keep up with some indoor potty time too if you want to have both options. I hope someone else will chime in and maybe explain this better.



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Just to clarify - yes, I meant that your dogs give you a sign that they want to go outside because you have taken outside to potty.
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All my dogs eventually learned to signal us that they wanted to go out, and we never actively worked on "outdoor potty training" with any of them. We let that part of potty training happen very organically. We concentrated on as close to possible errorless potty training indoors, which means as few potty accidents as absolutely possible in the house, and regular use of the indoor potty box.

When they were outdoors (and they regularly followed the older dogs in and out) we consistently watched them, and told them they were good when they pottied outdoors, but we didn't make any big deal about it.

As adults they AL prefer to potty outdoors, they ALL can let us know when they need to go out, and they ALL will use the indoor potty if they can't get out for some reason.


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I am in the process of potty training our second Havi. I had no experience before getting Loki. I read how everyone else did it and then did what worked for us. I am doing the same with Zorro now. I have several pee pads in holders so they can't be torn up - UGoDog and Richell. I have one by the back door, one in the expen and one upstairs. Loki uses the one by the back door if we aren't home and he really needs to go which is very seldom.

With Zorro - he is consistent about using the pee pad in the ex pen. When he is out I watch him like a hawk for signs he has to go. I sometimes plop him on the pee pad or have him ring the bell with his paw and take him outside. He has been home 3 weeks and we didn't have any accidents this weekend - in fact, the only ones we have at all recently have been when he playing with Loki and just hasn't stopped to even signal that he had to go. I was watching and they would move away and there would be a puddle. I think he will outgrow that. He is now either running to the pee pad or will ring the bell. He gets a treat and party for either. I am doing exactly like I did for Loki. He was completely trained by 4 1/2 months. Zorro seems to be well on his way to being there too. (I forgot the pee pad upstairs is for the middle of the night. I have only had to put Zorro on it 2 or 3 times during the night since he otherwise has slept through the night since the 2nd night home.)

BTW, both will ring the bell just to go outside because it is fun. For now, if he rings he gets to go out. If it is clear that he just wants to shred leaves I take him back in. Eventually, I will take down the bell when I am sure he is housebroken and I can tell when he really needs to go out. With Loki, I took the bell down at about 18 months when he would just sit by the door and patiently wait if he really had to go and didn't just want to play.

Loki would scream too when left without me in the room. Not with real separation anxiety - he didn't pace, chew on the crate, etc. He just would stand there are scream. Eventually, after doing lots of treats when I would come back and he was quiet and not letting him out until he was quiet, he figured out I was coming back. Zorro will scream a bit but quiets a lot quicker - I think because Loki is in the room with him even though not in the expen.


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At 3 mos, I was only taking my pup out the same door to the same location every 20-30 min always with praise and sometimes treats to potty outside. I did clicker training with my current and prior Hav with one activity to ring a little standing Liberty Bell (old childhood souvenir) near the door which leads to the potty area. After a few months, I had him ring the bell for a treat each time before going out to potty. He is now getting to the point at 9 months where he will ring the bell when he wants to potty. The bell was very helpful with my last Hav especially when he was older and occasionally had to go at night. He would go and ring the bell. The bell was loud enough for my "mommy senses" to hear but quiet enough not to wake everyone else. But all of this takes a lot of time and consistent training. If I were you, I would solely concentrate on outside potty training first.
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yes, a couple of places for the wee wee pad is ok I did that with my little Henry.
the smaller dogs take longer for the training, in my experience, sometimes just over a year.

Congrats on your new addition, new pup will be learning so much so make sure baby gets naps.
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I agree, you need to be patient. They seem to take longer! We did not use an ex pen but had pads all around the house; he always went to a pad, although when he was young,there were pads every 6 feet. We slowly diminished the number of pads until we had one left in the house at around 9 months. That one seemed to linger forever! But he does signal, although it is SUPER subtle. We joke that he thinks I can read his mind, so he sits and stares at me, likely thinking "I need to go out, I need to go out". At 13 months, I finally got it... He now does not ever use pads, and is very consistent. It just takes time. Lots of praise for outdoor pottying, no comment to indoor, although fresh pads as needed.
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