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Dogs Are Not Wolves

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What do the researchers who are against raw feeding say we should feed our dogs? I have seen many articles against raw feeding but they do not seem to mention what they feel is best. I assume kibble?
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here is a book that might be good for people to read



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I find it interesting that the article mentions that both people and dogs evolved to eat a lot of starch. Considering how many people are overweight today and that diabetes is epidemic, I am wondering how well people have “evolved” to handle it. I have a feeling people and dogs were doing a lot more work and less sitting around back then too. And the starch they ate was not from breakfast cereals or kibble.
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according to WHO "The fundamental cause of obesity and overweight is an energy imbalance between calories consumed and calories expended. Globally, there has been:

an increased intake of energy-dense foods that are high in fat; and
an increase in physical inactivity due to the increasingly sedentary nature of many forms of work, changing modes of transportation, and increasing urbanization.
Changes in dietary and physical activity patterns are often the result of environmental and societal changes associated with development and lack of supportive policies in sectors such as health, agriculture, transport, urban planning, environment, food processing, distribution, marketing, and education.

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according to WHO "The fundamental cause of obesity and overweight is an energy imbalance between calories consumed and calories expended. Globally, there has been:

an increased intake of energy-dense foods that are high in fat; and
an increase in physical inactivity due to the increasingly sedentary nature of many forms of work, changing modes of transportation, and increasing urbanization.
Changes in dietary and physical activity patterns are often the result of environmental and societal changes associated with development and lack of supportive policies in sectors such as health, agriculture, transport, urban planning, environment, food processing, distribution, marketing, and education.
I thought you were basically saying the same thing as mudpuppymama, but I looked up starch and was surprised to find that starch has 1/2 the calories as fat, and that our diet should be made up of slightly more than 1/3 of our total calories. Learned something new and I haven’t been awake an hour yet!
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Here’s the other point of view: https://healthypets.mercola.com/site...arnivores.aspx
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I think there will always be differing views on this subject.

With regard to food groups, I think there is good and bad within each one. For example, there are healthy fats and unhealthy fats. Some starches are more nutrient dense than others. For example, white bread is not too good but sweet potatoes are very nutritious.

The most confusing is with regard to fats! Some are great and some are awful as explained in this article.

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...tary-fats.aspx
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Here is another article giving the history of the saturated fat scam for anyone interested. It is related to human health but illustrates how an entire nation can be fooled.

https://healthiertalk.com/greatest-s...-history-1385/
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yeah, I think we are getting off on a tangent. Yes I think it's futile to debate whether dogs are carnivores or omnivores.

The point of the article I posted, I think is this. " While the statement that the dietary needs of dogs may be similar to those of wolves in some ways, based on their phylogenetic relationship, is perfectly reasonable, the claim that one can accurately predict the optimal diet for dogs based on what wolves eat in the wild is simply nonsense. The dietary needs of dogs have been shaped by many factors, not least among them their long association with humans, and they need to be worked out through thorough and rigorous scientific research, not speculation and the appeal to nature fallacy."

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