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Hi Merlin my 17 week old boy is struggling with meeting other dogs, he has been to puppy classes last few weeks and regularly meets dogs on walks twice daily. He cowers away from the freindliest of dogs and wont interact with them. Hopefully this will get better with time and meeting other dogs?
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here's some info when not to socialize part 1. http://blog.caninesinaction.com/2012...ur-dog-part-1/

part 2. http://blog.caninesinaction.com/2012...ur-dog-part-2/

http://www.clickertraining.com/node/3953
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Mine was shy and timid with other dogs at that age. Even thought the big socialization window is before 15 weeks, it continued to improve as we provided opportunities for him to interact (without pushing) and he is very good with other dogs. I trust his instincts. He does seem to recognize the more aggressive players and avoids them, and he accepts cues from other dogs when they donít want to play. He initiates play with dogs of any size, and he especially loves to play with large breed puppies because he is so energetic and they love to play.
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I forgot to mention, well after I thought this was resolved, a trainer from our neighborhood noticed our dog was stressed meeting other dogs on a leash. I hadnít seen it because he was both excited and nervous, and I was viewing him from behind. I thought he was just being impulsive pulling on the leash. Iím not saying thatís whatís happening with your puppy, especially if youíve been going to a puppy class and training with a lead, but it might be worth setting up a play date with a friendís well behaved dog and introducing them off leash in a more controlled environment to see if he does better.
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Thanks this puts my mind at rest that with time and patience Merlin will hopefully get through this.
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how about the local havanese group near you? maybe a one-on-one with another hav pup
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I never did group puppy socialization classes because travel and timing got in the way but took Patti a few times for puppy training when she was barely 3 months old. The hour long private puppy training class was just too long and exhausting for Patti (and me) and she would fall asleep after about 30 minutes. I did continue to use the things I learned from class and this forum for indoor house breaking and other things one does such as teach them to come, sit, stay. We live in an intergeneration home with two grandsons ages 14 and 16 and our daughter. The boys were 12 and 14 when we brought Patti to her forever home.

Patti loves! the whole family, she picks favorites depending on what's going on. Initially, she was very shy around other people but as she's exposed more and more she's becoming more friendly and has started to approach strangers to play. She's not interested in them picking her up.

I occasionally take Patti to Petco and inside stores, walk her frequently where she runs into people and other dogs.

Patti is almost two years old. As she has aged she has gotten more interested in, interacting with strangers.

I don't want Patti to be fearful of people, just incase she ever gets away from me - I want her to go to another person for help.
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I never did group puppy socialization classes because travel and timing got in the way but took Patti a few times for puppy training when she was barely 3 months old. The hour long private puppy training class was just too long and exhausting for Patti (and me) and she would fall asleep after about 30 minutes. I did continue to use the things I learned from class and this forum for indoor house breaking and other things one does such as teach them to come, sit, stay. We live in an intergeneration home with two grandsons ages 14 and 16 and our daughter. The boys were 12 and 14 when we brought Patti to her forever home.

Patti loves! the whole family, she picks favorites depending on what's going on. Initially, she was very shy around other people but as she's exposed more and more she's becoming more friendly and has started to approach strangers to play. She's not interested in them picking her up.

I occasionally take Patti to Petco and inside stores, walk her frequently where she runs into people and other dogs.

Patti is almost two years old. As she has aged she has gotten more interested in, interacting with strangers.

I don't want Patti to be fearful of people, just incase she ever gets away from me - I want her to go to another person for help.
I think you've Been very intuitive about what Patti has needed when she needed it.

I think "socializing" puppies is very important. Vitally important. But what that "looks like" for each individual puppy and family can vary a great deal, and can be done successfully in a number of different ways. "Puppy K" if it is WELL RUN, can be fantastic, especially for a family that is new to puppy raising. But it's only on hour a week, for 6 or 8 weeks. Not NEARLY enough, and if it's NOT well run can be a very bad experience indeed.

So while I still encourage people to try to find a well-run, appropriate Puppy K, it is also REALLY important to gently expose puppies to all sorts of other things AT THEIR OWN SPEED. And that part is SO important! Some puppies are super out-going, and everything is grist for their mill. Every person and every other dog is a friend. All you have to do s make sure they don't get hurt and everything is fine. But other puppies are much shyer, and slower to warm up. Those puppies STILL need to be "socialized", probably even more, but VERY slowly, and gently. At their own speed. Never forcing them. Letting them observe from a safe distance, as many times as they need to until they begin to get more comfortable.

There isn't one right path to socialization for every puppy and every family, and it's not something that happens in 8 weeks or in 8 months, for that matter. It's an on-going process through the life of the dog. A dog isn't really emotionally mature until well into their second year... sometimes later. There is a saying in the dog training world, "They can do at four what they could never do before."
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I was so worried that Oliver seemed nervous around other dogs. Oh god, I decided he’d develop all sorts of problems because at 6 months old he was shy around dogs. Well, he’s 1 and fine now. Just like Karen suggested we took him on calm outings around other dogs. Problem with little dogs, in my experience, is that super excitable big breed puppies can exuberantly trample them and their outlook changes.

Also, My husband has had to swoop him up into his arms twice when bigger dogs got off leash (grrr) and lunged at him. Once my husband nearly got bit by a German shepherd
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I was so worried that Oliver seemed nervous around other dogs. Oh god, I decided he’d develop all sorts of problems because at 6 months old he was shy around dogs. Well, he’s 1 and fine now. Just like Karen suggested we took him on calm outings around other dogs. Problem with little dogs, in my experience, is that super excitable big breed puppies can exuberantly trample them and their outlook changes.

Also, My husband has had to swoop him up into his arms twice when bigger dogs got off leash (grrr) and lunged at him. Once my husband nearly got bit by a German shepherd
Right, it’s always a balance, and you always have to make judgement calls. Of course you don’t want to make your puppy fearful by “coddling” them unnecessarily, but they ARE small and vulnerable, and you DO have to keep them ALIVE! Pixel had a couple of fear-inducing experiences with large black dogs as a puppy, where I had to pick her up quickly to keep her safe and it took a LONG time for her to get over her fear of big dogs... and she passed that on to Panda, who is only 8 months younger. So I had to work extra hard on getting Panda over that too. In Panda it was EXTRA dangerous, because she was less afraid, so she would do the annouing small dog thing of darting at a large dog barking at them, to tell them to “stay away”. Which is a GREAT way to get EATEN! Fortunately, Panda has grown out of THAT too, with LOTS of calm, non-threatening exposure. (I think dog shows (where all those big dogs TOTALLY ignore her) has been a big help there)


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