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The car sickness thread inspired me to start this thread ... We are grateful that Shama doesn't get carsick as as we regularly travel three hours to see my parents and 90 minutes to see DH's parents. Our problem is barking.

If we travel somewhere overnight, we take Shama's wire crate which goes into her expen at our destination. In that case, she can sit in the wire crate facing forward from the middle of the back seat of our Subaru Forester.

If we're going somewhere locally or just for the day, we take my car, and she rides in her Petego Jet Set Pet Carrier which is secured to the back seat by the PetEgo ISOFIX Latch Car Connection. (We researched a long time before choosing this carrier and car connection to be safest in the case of a crash.) In this setup, she can't see, she has to lie sideways to the motion of the car, and she barks a lot more.

Does anyone have any thoughts on helping her calm down and bark less? Lavender essential oil in the car hasn't helped much, and Safety Zone Natural Herbal Calming Spray hasn't helped much. I suppose maybe we should try our recently discovered best chew, beef achilles tendons, in the car ...







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PS One could argue we should put Shama in the safest carrier we have when we go on longer road trips, but there's only so much room in the car when we're taking the expen. I figure she's definitely safer in her wedged-in crate than she would be completely loose. (I am always surprised to see small dogs loose on their owners' laps when their owners are driving a car. A driver could suddenly need to slam on the brakes for any number of reasons. What happens to that little dog in that case?)

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I know it's safer to have a dog car seat but I'm one of those who doesn't use them, although I have used them. I do leash Patti's harness to the seat, so she isn't running around the vehicle. When we go to the mountains its a 14-hour-drive and it works better for us. She can either get up in a seat and look out but typically she rides laying down on the floor in the back. I can't imagine keeping a dog in a crate for a long drive and if you're just going across town I wouldn't use a crate. Unless they're strapped tight in a car seat or a crate the dog is going to get slammed around if there's an accident.

To each his own... Whatever works and makes one feel good, you should do it.

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For calming, you could try Rescue Remedy which is one of the Bach flower essences. This is non toxic. It really helped my cat who was deathly afraid of storms. I am not a car safety expert. However, if a dog is loose inside a hard crate I would think they are going to get banged around pretty bad if an accident occurs. They do a great job of containing the dog but arenít they going to be slammed against the crate pretty hard in an accident? Have you tried any seatbelt / harness arrangements? I would think the main fear is keeping your dog from becoming a projectile and being thrown against the front seat or worse. If there is a complete rollover, perhaps the dog will come out better in a crate but most accidents are not rollovers. I only know one dog that was in a car accident. This dog was in the front seat unrestrained and they had a head on collision with a fair amount of force. The dog was thrown forward onto the floor and the front of the car crumpled and it was trapped there. The emergency rescue people took quite awhile to get the dog out. The owner said she would never have her dog unrestrained again and would put him in the back seat instead of the front. The dog limped for two months and now is fine. They were very lucky.
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For calming, you could try Rescue Remedy which is one of the Bach flower essences. This is non toxic. It really helped my cat who was deathly afraid of storms. I am not a car safety expert. However, if a dog is loose inside a hard crate I would think they are going to get banged around pretty bad if an accident occurs. They do a great job of containing the dog but arenít they going to be slammed against the crate pretty hard in an accident? Have you tried any seatbelt / harness arrangements? I would think the main fear is keeping your dog from becoming a projectile and being thrown against the front seat or worse. If there is a complete rollover, perhaps the dog will come out better in a crate but most accidents are not rollovers. I only know one dog that was in a car accident. This dog was in the front seat unrestrained and they had a head on collision with a fair amount of force. The dog was thrown forward onto the floor and the front of the car crumpled and it was trapped there. The emergency rescue people took quite awhile to get the dog out. The owner said she would never have her dog unrestrained again and would put him in the back seat instead of the front. The dog limped for two months and now is fine. They were very lucky.
They would get thrown around with a harness/ seatbelt as well - up in the air, into the door, etc. I don't think there's much you can do to prevent that no matter what method you use. For me the key (regardless of what your personal choice) is to minimize any danger of them getting thrown too far (a soft or hard crate that is size appropriate wouldn't really give them much momentum inside) AND to make sure, if a door pops open, that they aren't going to get thrown or get spooked and run.

As for the original question on barking - can't really help. Perry travels in his sherpa bag (to contain the car sick and for safety) belted to the seat, so we don't have an issue with barking when we travel (just with getting car sick)
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I hesitate to bring this up because I haven’t tried it. But there was something on Amazon, chews to help calm your dog. I think they were made of hemp. Pretty sure the name was Zen Dog or something similar. They were intended to calm stressed-out dogs, especially dogs with separation anxiety. The reviews are good-if they’re real.
Our lab Cooper didn’t bark much but they got EXTREMELY agitated and whiny in the back of the car (the car meant they were going either to the dog park or the vet). Usually my husband would drive, while I restrained Cooper in the back seat. Needless to say, these were short trips. But one day I couldn’t go with Ray and Cooper rode next to him. Ray said she was as good as gold sitting up front. But I’m sure you don’t want to literally take a back seat to your dog for a longer trip.
I got a doggy seat belt chair for Hashi, but I don’t drive much.
I have a carrier that looks very much like yours.
I’m sorry I don’t have that much experience.
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I tried some all natural calming chews at one point (Iím sure there are many different kinds) and I swear the smell of them was like coming out of his pores for days! My husband thought they helped but Iíll never use them again, they made him smell like Thanksgiving dinner! Donít get that brand

Do you think itís because she canít see? Or is she just trying to remind you sheís there and wants to move? I wonder if thereís a way to give her some kind of visual stimulation, or to somehow see outside in spite of her position. Like maybe one of those baby mirrors?
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I tried some all natural calming chews at one point (Iím sure there are many different kinds) and I swear the smell of them was like coming out of his pores for days! My husband thought they helped but Iíll never use them again, they made him smell like Thanksgiving dinner! Donít get that brand

Do you think itís because she canít see? Or is she just trying to remind you sheís there and wants to move? I wonder if thereís a way to give her some kind of visual stimulation, or to somehow see outside in spite of her position. Like maybe one of those baby mirrors?
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I tried some all natural calming chews at one point (I’m sure there are many different kinds) and I swear the smell of them was like coming out of his pores for days! My husband thought they helped but I’ll never use them again, they made him smell like Thanksgiving dinner! Don’t get that brand <img src="http://www.havaneseforum.com/images/smilies/wink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" />

Do you think it’s because she can’t see? Or is she just trying to remind you she’s there and wants to move? I wonder if there’s a way to give her some kind of visual stimulation, or to somehow see outside in spite of her position. Like maybe one of those baby mirrors?

A mirror sounds like a great idea! Thank you. I think you’re right about her not being able to see. And I’m sure being restrained might have made her more anxious, though I was as gentle as I could be and tried to soothe her, which went in one ear and out the other. Thank God they were short trips.
Hashi will be up front with me, I guess.
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