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Dog Parks are Actually - Bad

I'm always been skeptical (afraid) of dog parks. From the road I see lots of big dogs running around, with the owners on the other side ignoring and chatting with others.

Any experiences or thoughts about Dog Parks?

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I stay away from dog parks for a few reasons. 1) I donít need my dogs sniffing or stepping in anything from a strange dog that could have parasites or disease, 2) I fear moronic owners who want their dogs to say hello or sniff my dogs, or worse yet let them off leash, and 3) my dogs can get plenty of fun elsewhere so do not really need to go there. I have enough trouble with moronic dog owners just walking around my subdivision.
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Not for my dogs... Disease, fleas, parasites (you wouldn't believe how few people actually pick up after their own dogs in my experience), danger from poorly behaved dogs... Nope! We don't need any of that!

The ONLY "dog parks" we EVER use are in RV parks when we travel. These are usually very lightly used, all dog owners must present their dog's vaccination (or titer) record when entering the park, the dog areas are "policed" daily by the staff, so even if the campers don't pick up after themselves (most seem to) we've rarely seen any dog poop in an RV dog park. AND... we are extremely selective about whether or not we let our dogs play with any OTHER dogs in the RV dog parks. Usually, we use it when it is empty, and it just gives us a chance for some off-leash training for the younger ones. (Kodi is reliable enough for off-leash training pretty much anywhere, but we don't ENTIRELY trust the girls if other people have food on grills, etc! LOL!) Especially to do some LONG recalls after being cooped up in the truck all day! If someone else shows up, we just leash ours up and let the new folks have their turn.

But no, in general, I don't have much use for dog parks.
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good and bad ... Risky chasing behaviors almost always include out of control and high arousal chasing that may include one of more of the following: group chase, hard physical contact, pinning, high tail carriage, neck or throat fixation and the chasee hiding, or trying to get away.
Mobbing is a group of individual dogs approaching, harassing, controlling or attacking a single dog. This can be with or without bloodshed.
Targeting is one dog following or pursuing another dog relentlessly, exclusively, obsessively. Itís relentless engagement that may or may not include many of the behaviors displayed in Risky Chasing.
Bullying is a form of aggressive behavior through the use of physical overpowering, hard contact, body slamming, hip-checking, shoulder-checking, relentless engagement, chase or ganging up to affect an individual dog.
Hunting is when a dog moves around the dog park going from dog to dog, looking for something to jab, chase, poke, pounce on, roll. This is not looking for a playmate, but forcing himself on other dogs.

here's a good article Animal Behavior Associates, Inc. Behavior Consulting
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good and bad ... Risky chasing behaviors almost always include out of control and high arousal chasing that may include one of more of the following: group chase, hard physical contact, pinning, high tail carriage, neck or throat fixation and the chasee hiding, or trying to get away.
Mobbing is a group of individual dogs approaching, harassing, controlling or attacking a single dog. This can be with or without bloodshed.
Targeting is one dog following or pursuing another dog relentlessly, exclusively, obsessively. Itís relentless engagement that may or may not include many of the behaviors displayed in Risky Chasing.
Bullying is a form of aggressive behavior through the use of physical overpowering, hard contact, body slamming, hip-checking, shoulder-checking, relentless engagement, chase or ganging up to affect an individual dog.
Hunting is when a dog moves around the dog park going from dog to dog, looking for something to jab, chase, poke, pounce on, roll. This is not looking for a playmate, but forcing himself on other dogs.

here's a good article Animal Behavior Associates, Inc. Behavior Consulting
And what I've seen is that as long as the "aggressor dogs" have their tails wagging (as is often the case) and are not actively growly, snarling or drawing blood, their owners do not see the behavior as anything other than "just playing".
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good and bad ... Risky chasing behaviors almost always include out of control and high arousal chasing that may include one of more of the following: group chase, hard physical contact, pinning, high tail carriage, neck or throat fixation and the chasee hiding, or trying to get away.
Mobbing is a group of individual dogs approaching, harassing, controlling or attacking a single dog. This can be with or without bloodshed.
Targeting is one dog following or pursuing another dog relentlessly, exclusively, obsessively. Itís relentless engagement that may or may not include many of the behaviors displayed in Risky Chasing.
Bullying is a form of aggressive behavior through the use of physical overpowering, hard contact, body slamming, hip-checking, shoulder-checking, relentless engagement, chase or ganging up to affect an individual dog.
Hunting is when a dog moves around the dog park going from dog to dog, looking for something to jab, chase, poke, pounce on, roll. This is not looking for a playmate, but forcing himself on other dogs.

here's a good article Animal Behavior Associates, Inc. Behavior Consulting
Yikes!!! Dave .... where is the Good?? LOL~~
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many people and dogs can benefit https://apdt.com/resource-center/dog-park-pros-cons/

and here https://www.whole-dog-journal.com/ca...-of-dog-parks/

and here https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/b...-dog-has-agree

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There are pros and cons to everything. However, for me the risks are not worth it. Two years ago my yorkie was attacked and almost killed by an off leash pit bull in my own neighborhood. The owner could not believe her sweet dog could do this. I now walk with a walking stick and carry dog spray wherever I go. There is no way I will risk going to a dog park. They should at least have a separate area for small dogs. Although small dogs could get into fights, the real risk is your small dog being viewed as prey by a large dog. Some of the large dogs may be super sweet, however they could have a super strong prey drive and may not be socialized around small dogs. Trust me...this can happen very fast too. As a small dog owner, it is my duty to take extra precautions to protect my small dog. No dog parks for me.
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I hear you on that, but many small dog owners are too protective and that too can lead to problems.

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I hear you on that, but many small dog owners are too protective and that too can lead to problems.
I am not too protective. I am prepared. I still walk around the neighborhood 4 miles today. I just carry a stick and dog spray. We do pack walks with friendly dogs in the neighborhood. They also play with dogs of friends and relatives. Not seeing the need for dog parks and the fleas, parasites and other risks that go with it. To each his own.
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