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Ollie Walks Me Instead of I Walk the Dog!??

I need some help as it's getting quite stressful to walk Ollie lately.

Ollie (my 3-year-old Havanese) is now getting quite bossy as to where we walk. He likes to go to the nearby high school as it has a huge fenced baseball grass field where we will let him off leash. But with shelter in place, we cannot go to the school any more. He will walk with us happily until we get close to the school. He knows we should turn right to get to the school. As we walk to the left instead, he will put on his brake and will not move an inch. I will bring high value treats with me (cheese!!) to lure him over. He still doesn't move! I end up pulling the leash and yelling at him to "COME". He will then come over reluctantly. He will walk, stop, look back, walk, stop, & look back for a million times. Well, it's not exactly a million times. But it certainly feels like a million times as we are not even half a block away from the school. He really doesn't want to go anywhere other than the baseball field.

Now the school is nowhere in sight, he will decide which direction he wants to go. We are walking up a block, he will sniff at his usual spots. But suddenly, he feels like to go across the street. He will just brake until we walk across the street. Does your pup do that?

Having Ollie to decide which route we take the walk is ok, although it's quite annoying. The most stressful part is the barking and pulling when he sees another dog! With shelter in place, I think he misses the interaction with another dog dearly. Whenever we see another dog during our walk, I have to put my hand on Ollie and tell him to "Leave it". He will still growl loudly. If I don't put my hand on him, he will pull toward the dog and bark non-stop. He seems to be very aggressive. Most dogs are very well behaved (unlike Ollie). They will continue to walk and ignore Ollie. But some dogs are quite reactive. When Ollie is barking at them, they also pull toward him and bark at him. The last encounter was a German Shepherd and it was really scary as that owner seems to be having a hard time in holding onto the leash.

What's your experience in walking your Havanese lately?
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This is a very familiar story with my Ricky Ricardo. He has a mind of his own, that's for sure. At 15 pounds, when he puts on the brakes on all four legs, there ain't no moving him! Right now, it sounds like Ollie is trying to train you and doing a pretty good job of it. Here are some tips:
- Obedience: Ricky and I compete in Obedience Competitions. He has learned that I am the boss and I don't tolerate any shenanigans from him. So he respects me and cooperates with me. It is just that when other people walk him, like Momi for instance, he takes advantage of her and she allows him to do that which just reinforces that kind of behavior! How to correct - if your dog isn't cooperating, pick him up and walk for several feet and then put him down. If he still doesn't cooperate, do the same thing again. Keep doing this until he understands YOU are the boss and YOU will not tolerate this kind of insurrection.
- Who's boss: YOU are the boss and responsible for the safety and health of your dog. Corrections should be made with positive reinforcement (praise and treats). Never scold your dog, that only builds resentment. If your dog is not cooperating, pick him up, distract him, and insist that YOU are the boss, not him. Correction - pick him up and in a happy voice say "we are going this way tonight." Give him a treat when he follows you and decides that it is more fun going YOUR direction rather than his direction.
- Habit Dogs are creatures of habit. They like consistency in their lives. It is easy to get into habits that are hard to change. Ollie obviously loves the playtime at school. Correction - Substitute that playtime at school with playtime at some other location (in your yard maybe). YOU have to make yourself more fun than what he was planning on doing. I hate to break this too you, but right now, Ollie thinks the school is more interesting than you are. One night a trainer said to me in front of the whole class when Ricky wasn't listening to me, "Popi, Ricky finds that cute little female Yorkie over there, more interesting than you!" It was embarrassing but I learned something that night, HE WAS RIGHT! I now try to be the most interesting person on the face of the earth to Ricky.....and it is working. I always keep him guessing about what I'm going to do next. He LOVES that game!
- Aggressive behavior I have found that when Ricky occasionally reacts to another dog it is usually that he wants to play with them (even if barking and/or growling) or he is fearful of that dog, or he senses a danger to me his master, or that other dog has started something on a previous walk and Ricky has a long memory. Correction - I will pick Ricky up and cover his eyes with my hand (which quiets him down) or I will stand in front of him with a short leash between him and the perceived danger and I block him with my body when he tries to get around me, or best yet, I will put him in a tight heel and choke up on his leash and talk to him constantly giving him commands, put him in a sit stay, make a 180, give him plenty of treats by concentrating on me and my instructions. It doesn't happen overnight, We have been working on obedience for over 5 years now and he is really good with me.
- Training Ricky and I train together constantly. Every walk has a training component. BUT, I keep my training components short, mabe two 5 minute sessions in a 30 minute walk. The rest of the time, I let Ricky explore and sniff within limits, maybe 15 seconds per stop. We keep moving. I just tell him, "Ricky there is a better spot up here." He has learned what that means and he will eagerly run alongside me to see what is up ahead. I use a 6 ft. leash. Sometimes Ricky is behind me or sometimes ahead of me (when NOT in training) but the leash always is loose and never tight. I am walking him, he is not walking me.
- Treats I avoid cheese as a treat. It is high in fate and can cause pancreatitis in dogs. My daughter's dog got pancreatitis on a camping trip (too much bacon, cheese, and hot dogs) and it cost her around $3000 in Vet bills to get him back to normal. Correction - there are many low calorie good dog treats out there instead of cheese. Search on this site for "training treats" to see what others on HF are using.

These are some of the things I have learned in paid training classes with professionals. I recommend training classes periodically to brush up on our skills. It is fun (for both you and your dog), it is instructional, and it creates a bond between you and your dog. Training is a lifelong endeavor. The better trained YOU are, the better trained your dog is, and the happier relationship you will have together.

Try some of the tips and let us know how it is working, but it will take time, lots of it.

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I have found that it helps to play for just a couple of minutes before the walk and to help make sure he’s able to focus on basic commands before we leave. Not much, just 2 minutes of letting him run in the hall to burn off any excess and practicing sit, come here, etc. while getting ready to go.

I had a hard time finding the line between letting my Havanese choose where to sniff and meander and letting him guide the whole walk, pulling everyone along. I still do sometimes! We sort of take turns, and it seems to serve as a reminder to listen. Usually we walk for a few minutes and I guide our route, then we stop at a place of my choosing, and within that place he can wander for a minute. Then when it’s time to move on, it needs to be right away. Honestly, I’m not the one that walks him the most, and every once in a while DD brings him back in 5 minutes and says he was wild. But this works for me. He doesn’t pull and he listens right away.

I realized when our Havanese was almost 2 he has restraint anxiety when greeting other dogs on leash, and I couldn’t believe I missed it. For me it was difficult to see because my Havanese had sort of a mixed stress/excitement reaction. I assumed restraint anxiety/stress would be outright aggressive or more obviously frantic I think. It’s something to read about if you’re seeing a lot of leash pulling towards dogs on walks. There are ways you can learn to greet other dogs on leash if you live in a really urban area, but honestly, I’d just avoid greeting other dogs on leash as much as you can. If you feel like it’s really important, you have lots of friends out walking their dogs at the same time or you have a really crowded dog walking neighborhood, I’d get some input from a trainer. We have a generally well behaved dog and just thought it would be fun and helpful to brush up on skills with a trainer from our neighborhood, (particularly loose leash walking). She immediately recognized that he was great greeting off leash and she could see on leash he was almost cycling between stress and excitement. Loose leash walking was completely resolved in one visit, and learning more about the restraint issues changed the way we take walks and made a huge difference.

I have to say, the stop, walk, look back routine made me laugh. That’s a classic, and I can definitely imagine the longing looks towards the school
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Thank you both for the fantastic advise!! I am amazed with the positive changes!!! Thank you!!!!!

When we see another dog on our walk, I would stop and put my leg in front of Ollie. I tell him, "Ollie, leave it." and pat him head. He would look at me which calm him down a bit. He would still growl under his breath, but he would not bark or try to lunge toward the other dog. We will resume after the other dog is away. I am shocked how well it works on him!! Even my DD is amazed with his change!

Thanks for the tip on cheese. I will not use that any more. I use Full Moon Chicken Fillet (I cut the fillet into little squares) when I teach him little tricks in the house. I think I could use the same thing when we go on walks as he loves it.

As for choosing the route of our walk, it is still work in progress. I know it will take a while as Ollie has been the boss of me! I will continue to scoop him up whenever he puts on his brake. I will have awesome arm muscles by the time we are done as Ollie is 15 pounds as well.
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I have to share something hilarious that happened on this morning's walk.

As we get to "critical" interaction, Ollie puts on his brake since I am walking to the wrong direction. As I walk toward him try to scoop him up, he immediately started to walk to my direction. LOL

Ollie has never been a fan of being carried at all. I think he knows I am going to pick him up and we will end up on my route anyway. He might as well stop the tantrum to avoid being pickup.

It is amazing how quickly they learn!
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I have to share something hilarious that happened on this morning's walk.

As we get to "critical" interaction, Ollie puts on his brake since I am walking to the wrong direction. As I walk toward him try to scoop him up, he immediately started to walk to my direction. LOL

Ollie has never been a fan of being carried at all. I think he knows I am going to pick him up and we will end up on my route anyway. He might as well stop the tantrum to avoid being pickup.

It is amazing how quickly they learn!
Now you are acting like the one in charge and Ollie will respect you for it! Be sure to reward him with lavish praise and a small treat when he cooperates.

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here's an old post of mine. https://www.havaneseforum.com/7-trai...ggression.html
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Thanks for posting that, Dave. The part about threshold gave me some new ideas of patterns to watch for, which I can use to incrementally work on those behaviors. I have a general idea of his “triggers,” but there are some pieces I can fill in.

I also hadn’t thought about what a problem it is when the other owner asks their dog to sit. A couple of times I have been embarrassed because someone asked their big dog to sit and mine was still trying to figure out a way to sniff and engage. It felt like their dog was really calm and mine was hyper. Now I get what he was trying to do. It’s always great when something is completely obvious is retrospect.
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We typically walk a golf course and Patti sets the pace, making my husband and I Step Up. I guess she's Walking Us.
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had trouble finding this one, had to call her up in order to get it.

https://mrsbehaviour.com/2019/08/26/on-leash/
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