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Okay Nanu is scheduled for his neuter on the 18th and I'm having some second thoughts. I adore him! He's a total character and now I'm concerned that separating him from his testosterone might alter his sunny disposition. I have always believed in spaying or neutering from the overpopulation stand point. And recently our intact elderly blind Boston Terrier foster/adopted "Neiko" had to be put down because of prostate disease. So I would have never thought that I would be on the fence about having Nanu fixed but I am. He's a house pet and never goes outside unsupervised. So I'm not concerned about breeding. I am very concerned about the potential health issues if the procedure is not done. Nanu is my 1st and probably my only Havanese, because I am an old dog myself, so I don't know what behavioral changes to expect post surgery. Is there anyway to predict specifically with a Havanese? Am I justified to have this concern?
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He's a total character and now I'm concerned that separating him from his testosterone might alter his sunny disposition......................so I don't know what behavioral changes to expect post surgery. Is there anyway to predict specifically with a Havanese? Am I justified to have this concern?
Hi Steve, I can only tell you what happened in my Ricky's case. NOTHING! He was high energy crazy before and high energy crazy after, that was over 5 years ago. In fact, day three after his surgery, he was running all over the house. I called his Vet in a panic fearing he would tear out his stitches. The Vet said. "well that's good news, he doesn't appear to be in any pain." He said to just confine him to one room and not encourage him to play. One week later his stitches were removed and we have never looked back. Same crazy, happy, sunny personality ever since. In my opinion, I think Nanu will be fine.

[EDIT] Ricky hated wearing the cone. That really altered his personality. He just laid there depressed all day. On day three I removed the cone and bought a doggie diaper at Petco (made out of blue denim and looked very manly) so he wouldn't lick his stitches. That's when he started tearing around the house, he was overjoyed. His Vet said if he had the diaper on, he didn't need to wear the cone. And so we never put the cone back on and he was a VERY happy neutered boy!

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Thank you Ricky. That's what I hoped to hear. BTW Nanu is getting on 8 months old so I was also thinking that it's a good time to do the surgery. There should be plenty of puppy spice left. I'll look for the doggie bloomers too! Thanks.
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here's some science https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...ed-or-neutered

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I posted this hoping to get this kind of feedback. Of course I've got to make the decision. I can say that I have never noticed an increase in aggressive behavior in pets that I had altered.
Thank you for the link!
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more http://www.caninesports.com/uploads/...tions_2013.pdf

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I think when and whether to spay/neuter is a decision that needs to be made by every family based on their own needs and the needs of their own pet. Certainly the general trend has been toward later spay/neuter, typically after the dog is a year old if possible and i. The case of a female, after at least the first heat as well. That’s a HUGE change from when I got Kodi, when you were made to feel like an irresponsible pet owner if you let your dog go a day over 6 months without being spayed or neutered!

There is no hurry. If you want to research it more, feel free to do so. I found the booklet put out by the Puppy Culture folks (on their website) to be extremely helpful to me, and made me feel much better about my decision to delay Panda’s spay. (She is now 4 and unspayed, for a number of reasons, and like you, I know for sure that there is NO possibility of her becoming pregnant “by mistake”)

I made different decisions for my other two, and am just as comfortable with the decision I made for Pixel... she got spayed after her first heat and a false pregnancy... none of us were EVER going though THAT again! LOL! With hind sight, I wish that I’d waited until Kodi was a little older before he was neutered. I would not neuter a puppy at 6 months again unless there was a medical need for it to be done then. HOWEVER, I am quite sure that he WOULD have been neutered at some point. He is a performance dog. And while there are SOME intact performance dogs, there aren’t a lot. It takes a really special boy to be able to keep his brain engaged with the testosterone still raging. But if I had it to do over, I probably would have waited until he was about a year old before having him neutered.

At the same time, I recently talked to someone who is getting a puppy. She works full time, and the person who will be caring for the puppy in the middle of the day cannot deal with a dog in heat. So she MUST have her puppy spayed before she comes into heat the first time. While I think, in the best of all worlds, it’s better to allow a puppy the benefit of adult hormones, in a case like this, you do what you need to do. Female dogs have been spayed at that age and lived long, healthy lives for years. I am sure this puppy wiil too. This person is going to be a WONDERFUL owner for this little dog! We all do the best we can for our dogs, but there are many different ways of doing that. That’s OK!
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Wow - that research is quite compelling and informative. In Bodhi's case, his personality before and after being neutered remained the same with one exception, he marked less especially in doors. This change occurred over time but was noticeable within about 3-4 weeks after his surgery. He only marks outside now - thank goodness. I'd like to think we would have gotten to a place where he only marked outside with good training, but the neutering helped speed this along. And just like Ricky he hated the cone and was depressed wearing it! Once the cone came off - he came back to life - running around being his loving, goofy and silly self.
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I waited until after the first heat to spay my female. No one in the family wanted to experience a second heat. Patti didn't bleed much and took good care of what little blood there was but she was so darn horny, she drove everyone crazy by the second. She was, also, housebroken but we had quit a few set backs during the time and she marked every little blade of grass and rock she came across.

After surgery I didn't put a cone on her. While she sometimes licked her stitches, she pretty much left them alone. There was no noticeable change in her personality.
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