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This is NOT a good breeder. They have a VERY bad reputation in the breed.
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OFA is not a place to list puppies, but rather a public database from the Orthopedic Foundation for Animals. That's where you go to verify a breeder is doing the appropriate health testing (because anybody can claim anything), and if a breeder isn't doing a lick of health testing, they are not a good breeder, plain and simple. It is one of the first places I look when doing research on a breeder because lack of health testing is the one thing that always, no matter what, eliminates a breeder from being one I would support
What if they are too busy to list on OFA and all their dogs are pre-sold? Does that mean they are a bad breeder? Does that mean their dogs are somehow defective? What about all the happy customers they have? Doesn't that count for anything? I am not trying to be argumentative, I am not trying to defend Noah's Arc, I am trying to wrap my mind around this concept of good/bad breeder.

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I have been planning on writing up an OFA/health testing post to further educate as it can be confusing, so I may just do that when I'm back from work tonight (or tomorrow, my first day off in almost a week...oof). In short, health testing should be something done before breeding ever takes place. It should ALWAYS be done, and after the vet appointment is done, you don't have to do anything but sit back and wait for results. I will tag you in my post
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Please do not buy a puppy from Noah's Little Ark. It is a puppy mill. They deliver puppies like they are on a milk run.
I know 2 people who bought Havanese from them. Honestly, they are very poor examples of Havanese. I am not a good judge of Havanese but these dogs came to both people with health issues and developed more issues quickly. They are very homely Havanese after they grow out of being cute puppies. These dogs lack the early social development skills that are very important.
Their prices are quite high for the poor quality puppies that I have seen personally. I begged my one friend not to get a dog from there but she would not listen. My comments on what I saw could be endless.
Please stay away from them.

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@krandall was referring to Noah's Little Ark. The three that I listed ARE reputable breeders.
Yes, Noah’s Little Ark. They have a very bad reputation among people in the breed. Yes, I personally know a number of people who have had very bad experiences with them. People can do a search hear on the forum and I think you will find members here whi have had bad experiences.

I don’t know whether they still advertise this, but for a long time, they advertised it, as a badge of honor, that they produced ouppies with cleft pallats and hare lips, and “rather than euthanizing these puppies, they would place them for reduced prices in pet homes” What a deal! What about cleaning up their blood lines and taking those breeders OUT of the gene pool instead. those are NOT common birth defects in this breed!!!


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What if they are too busy to list on OFA and all their dogs are pre-sold? Does that mean they are a bad breeder? Does that mean their dogs are somehow defective? What about all the happy customers they have? Doesn't that count for anything? I am not trying to be argumentative, I am not trying to defend Noah's Arc, I am trying to wrap my mind around this concept of good/bad breeder.

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It only takes a (small check) a stamp and a simple form in an envelope to send test results in to OFA. It is part of what any good breeder does. This is not something that can be skipped.

Yes, you can get LOTS of “happy puppy reviews” if you sell ZILLIONS of low grade puppies to people who don’t know any better. Most of them don’t even remember who they bought the dog from by the time they have a health problem in 3 years. Most of them don’t know a good Havanese temper,ent from a bad one.

And those really good breeders are more likely building a personsl relationship with their puppy buyer than asking them to write an on-line review. Honestly, I’ve never written an “official” review on the internet for either of my breeders, and I think you know the high regard I hold both in. I get a little suspiscious just BECAUSE of these kinds of reviews.


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I think that many people are unaware of the idea of buying a quality puppy and that is how they get good reviews.
Both of the people that I know that bought a puppy from Noah's Ark had just lost their dogs and they were overjoyed to get a puppy delivered to their homes. It is a very emotional time when you have a beloved dog die.
I considered this breeder after getting screwed over by a "quality" Havanese breeder. My Romeo had just died and I really needed a new dog. I was devastated by his death then was screwed over by this man. I felt desperate and thought I just wanted a puppy but I couldn't bring myself to get one of these puppies.
Hopefully, your new Havanese will be your best friend for the next 15-20 years, buy the best dog you can find.
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I have been planning on writing up an OFA/health testing post to further educate as it can be confusing,
That would be very helpful. I hope you will do it. But I would like you to expand it beyond just OFA testing. I would like to see a checklist of things to consider when seeking a breeder. @KatieH touched on this in her post above. She was well organized and prepared a spreadsheet of things to consider. That's a good start. I would like to see this made into another "sticky" on the "breeders" to page to supplement Heather's post on selecting a breeder. This would be very helpful to someone looking for a pup but also to the chat list as a whole.

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That would be very helpful. I hope you will do it. But I would like you to expand it beyond just OFA testing. I would like to see a checklist of things to consider when seeking a breeder. @KatieH touched on this in her post above. She was well organized and prepared a spreadsheet of things to consider. That's a good start. I would like to see this made into another "sticky" on the "breeders" to page to supplement Heather's post on selecting a breeder. This would be very helpful to someone looking for a pup but also to the chat list as a whole.

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Another little addition we might make are step-by-step instructions to find the breeder's test results on the OFA website. There might be many breeders with the same beginning of their name, and then it's hard to scroll through to find the breeder you want. I learned to use Advanced Search and specify the breed, then it was easy to find the breeder I wanted to research.
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I'll make a point to be incredibly thorough and clear. I work at an animal hospital with a reproduction specialty, so I have more experience with OFA and health testing than I ever thought I would It can be tricky if you aren't sure what you're looking for.
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