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So Coco is either in the play pen, or being played/trained or tied next to us if we are unable to follow her around and are sitting together as a family. She is not left to roam around freely for now at all. I put her in the play pen for 1 hour, give her 50 ml water (vet has suggested giving her water throughout the day at intervals as opposed to leaving it lying around) wait 5 mins, take her out for a pee and then she is with me or another family member for 2 hours, then we put her back in and so on and so forth all day, in between there are two long walks one in the morning and one in the early evening, water is given to her every two hours and I am trying to get her to hold her pee for two hours, sometimes she will hold slightly longer and sometimes she has accidents at much less time. We have recently started giving her food twice a day as she has not been very interested in the middle day meal. Morning is kibble which I don't wet but will try now, evening I am transitioning to cooked food. Also would like to add that I have seen three different vets and the last one is the only one that ran tests and took it seriously the rest just told me its puppy behaviour.
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I think you are doing exactly the right things, and that itís just going to take her a little bit longer because she is drinking more, and her bladder isnít fully developed yet. I think this is true of many Havanese puppies, it was definitely true of mine, but I think sometimes people just donít notice it as much when their puppies arenít drinking a lot. For me it did stretch to 4 hours by about 6 months, but I still had to take him out before that if there was any kind of change in routine or if we went on the carpet in a different room.

I would try to identify when she goes the longest and see if there is a pattern as to what room she is in, or if sheís in her playpen, etc. With my puppy he held it longer in our bedroom and family room because he spent the most time there. If there are specific areas where she tends to have accidents more often, try to spend more time in those areas and back up to take her out every hour when youíre in that room. If the accidents are in her playpen, make it smaller.

I can imagine itís really frustrating, but do keep in mind that if youíre taking her more often because her bladder just hasnít matured, in the long run she is going to be much, much more reliable, so it WILL pay off. Every time you take her potty, she is learning, so if youíre taking her out more, itís just more opportunities for her to really get it down. Preventing accidents as much as possible, even if it means taking her out more often, is important because sheís learning each time she has an accident, too.


Is she able to hold it during the night?

I would plan that as the time she can hold it stretches, you still may need to take her out every 4 hours for quite a while. Once she is closer to a year old, maybe even a bit older, her body will be more mature and you should I have a better idea of how much you can push the time. As an adult mine can go 6-8 hours on average. Under different circumstances itís longer or shorter, though. I could never leave him alone for more then 3-4 hours because he has to go more often when heís stressed, and he gets stressed when heís home alone. However, he regularly holds it for 10 hours overnight, which is think is a pretty long time.

I donít think it will be this hard for a lot longer. If you keep doing what you are doing, with small adjustments to prevent accidents, I really think you will start seeing her hit some milestones that make it easier to get through the long haul with potty training. At 6 months mine wasnít even close to completely potty trained, but it was still much easier than it was at 4 months. 9 months was easier than 6, etc. I would say my Havanese was completely trained around 14 months.

I hope something there helps!
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also I think it’s great that you picked up on her cue about the daytime meal, it sounds like she’s ready for that and it will help. Make sure to back up and take her potty a bit more often while you go through the process of transitioning food

I would also try to stick with the last vet if you can for future visits.

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I use Honest Kitchen which is FDA approved as human food. I use HK dehydrated food which requires hydrating it with water.. It's thick and soupy.
Yes, we use Honest Kitchen too, but it is the base mix and then we add our own fresh protein to that (chicken or lean beef or fish). Ricky's Vet doesn't want us to use raw meat because of the danger of salmonella poisoning so we boil the meat first which increases its water content. We use the amount of water to hydrate as called for in the directions on the box. It is thick but I wouldn't call it soupy. I think it is because we use fresh protein.

In my opinion, dogs will drink a lot more water if they are on a kibble diet.

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At 6 months mine wasnít even close to completely potty trained, but it was still much easier than it was at 4 months. 9 months was easier than 6, etc. I would say my Havanese was completely trained around 14 months.
Yes, Ricky was around 15 months before is was 100% reliable. It took so long because we had no idea what we were doing in the beginning and made every mistake in the book. Havanese Forum helped us get through that difficult period with tips and tricks.

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We only keep one water bowl in the house, always at the same location, so it is easy to know how much water Ricky drinks. It is about one to two cups per day. I don't know how much he should be drinking and I imagine it varies depending on the dog's physiology, what food they are eating, and how active they are. Ricky gets a lot of water in the food he eats which we don't count with his water bowl. The odd thing is, he likes his water icy cold. straight out the refrigerator. He seems to be well hydrated and potties about once every 4 hours (except of course at night where he goes about 10/11 hours without needing to potty). He knows from habit that when we take him for his evening walkies about 7pm, this is last time out for the day and he will potty maybe three times on the walkies to make sure his bladder is completely empty. It has been years since he has awakened us at night to go potty

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It's funny because, outside of the water I put in his food, I doubt that Perry drinks 1-2 cups a week let alone a day. Since I hydrate his food really well (haven't measured it but I'd say at least 1/2 cup, possibly more twice a day in his food) and he does pee throughout the day (at least 3-4 times per day) I am not worried about his hydration level, but it is interesting how different they all are.
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So it was you that thought it might be psychogenic polydipsia. ? Just remember , if you switch to home cooked meals., do it with an knowledgeable nutritionist and not on your own.
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I will say, mine if funny about water. Just today his water bowl was across the room but he “asked” for water that was in a glass on the end table. I realized his water bowl had something in it. He does NOT like his water contaminated, lol. Then tonight he REALLY wanted my glass of ice water. He’s pretty spoiled so I got him his own ice water. He will drink a whole glass of water if it has ice, he loves it. Its also pretty funny because we sometimes give him water out of these sort of wide mouth glasses when his water bowl is in the dishwasher, like I did tonight. So sometimes he’ll “request” water out of a glass. He’ll also “request” that someone hold it for him, lol.

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I am not worried about his hydration level, but it is interesting how different they all are.
Good to see you posting Melissa. A long time ago, I asked Ricky's Vet how much water is needed. He said that is a difficult question to answer because there isn't a standard, all dogs are different. He asked me some questions about Ricky's habits, he asked if there was anything about Ricky that caused me to ask that question, and he gave Ricky a physical exam. Upon conclusion, he said Ricky appeared to be well hydrated but if I was in anyway concerned, he could order some tests that would involve some expense. His recommendation was, that was not necessary at this time and I shouldn't be concerned. That was years ago and it has never been a problem.

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Yes, we use Honest Kitchen too, but it is the base mix and then we add our own fresh protein to that (chicken or lean beef or fish). Ricky's Vet doesn't want us to use raw meat because of the danger of salmonella poisoning so we boil the meat first which increases its water content. We use the amount of water to hydrate as called for in the directions on the box. It is thick but I wouldn't call it soupy. I think it is because we use fresh protein.

In my opinion, dogs will drink a lot more water if they are on a kibble diet.

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To top off the HK dehydrated food I add a few pieces fresh boiled chicken along with a few crunchy bits of HK Whole Food Clusters. I, also, add a little HK broth to the dehydrated food before adding water. But ... After boiling the chicken I use up the chicken broth water instead of plain water until it's gone.

When we have fish or beef for dinner I save a few little bites for Patti. She loves licking and cleaning empty plates.

I alternate the chicken and beef dehydrated food along with different HK broths and Whole Food Clusters ... beef, chicken, turkey. Haven't tried Lamb because personally I HATE Lamb. I suppose Patti would like it.

I give her 18th C HK dehydrated food - two times a day. After adding water and bites of chicken and food clusters about 1/4C per meal. She's a good weight at 15lbs.

We don't routinely give Patti treats during the day. She usually gets a few tiny training bites during the day. We give those to her when we call her to come in, usually at night or when she's stolen something she's not suppose to have like a pen, shoe, sock.

Patti's ia good at training Humans to give her a treat for returning stolen things.
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