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I just mentioned in my original post that I went to the vet.
I understand you've taken your baby to a Vet and had numerous tests done. If you are satisfied you dog doesn't have a problem, then go no further. If the water is excessive and not natural then if it we me I would consult with another Vet, preferably seeking out a Veterinary School program.

You already have done a lot of tests and those won't need to be repeated. The second Vet will have that information and can work on what else might be going on

Similary it's like seeking different physicians opinions. Each one learns from the last one what WASN'T the problem.

Eventually, the last doctor figures it out the diagnosis ... because he had information from all the doctors on what WAS NOT the problem.

The last doctor then becomes THE BRILLIANT DOCTOR, because they didn't have to do all the work on what eliminating what IT WASN'T.

Get It .. that how it works in medicine.
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After boiling the chicken I use up the chicken broth water instead of plain water until it's gone.
Yep. that's what Momi does too. The aroma of the broth water drives Ricky NUTS!

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I give her 18th C HK dehydrated food - two times a day. After adding water and bites of chicken and food clusters about 1/4C per meal. She's a good weight at 15lbs.

We don't routinely give Patti treats during the day. She usually gets a few tiny training bites during the day.
Finally figured out "18th C" = 1/8 cup. LOL. Ricky's HK base mix is "grain free." We give him 1/3 cup twice a day but that includes about a tablespoon of grain based kibble per his Vet's recommendation and the additional boiled protein. He also gets 1/4 cup of fresh fruits and vegetables twice a day at our lunch and dinner times. He also gets low calorie training treats at various times throughout the day. His weight is stable at 15 pounds for the last several years, so he appears to be burning up those calories. He does walk with me, four to five miles a day, every day.

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also I think itís great that you picked up on her cue about the daytime meal, it sounds like sheís ready for that and it will help. Make sure to back up and take her potty a bit more often while you go through the process of transitioning food

I would also try to stick with the last vet if you can for future visits.
I agree...stick with this vet...sounds like he took necessary steps to rule out medical conditions. That is critical now and for any future issues. If a vet does not try to get to root cause, I find a new vet. Remember that the vet works for YOU so do not feel bad about switching.
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I think you are doing exactly the right things, and that itís just going to take her a little bit longer because she is drinking more, and her bladder isnít fully developed yet. I think this is true of many Havanese puppies, it was definitely true of mine, but I think sometimes people just donít notice it as much when their puppies arenít drinking a lot. For me it did stretch to 4 hours by about 6 months, but I still had to take him out before that if there was any kind of change in routine or if we went on the carpet in a different room.

I would try to identify when she goes the longest and see if there is a pattern as to what room she is in, or if sheís in her playpen, etc. With my puppy he held it longer in our bedroom and family room because he spent the most time there. If there are specific areas where she tends to have accidents more often, try to spend more time in those areas and back up to take her out every hour when youíre in that room. If the accidents are in her playpen, make it smaller.

I can imagine itís really frustrating, but do keep in mind that if youíre taking her more often because her bladder just hasnít matured, in the long run she is going to be much, much more reliable, so it WILL pay off. Every time you take her potty, she is learning, so if youíre taking her out more, itís just more opportunities for her to really get it down. Preventing accidents as much as possible, even if it means taking her out more often, is important because sheís learning each time she has an accident, too.


Is she able to hold it during the night?

I would plan that as the time she can hold it stretches, you still may need to take her out every 4 hours for quite a while. Once she is closer to a year old, maybe even a bit older, her body will be more mature and you should I have a better idea of how much you can push the time. As an adult mine can go 6-8 hours on average. Under different circumstances itís longer or shorter, though. I could never leave him alone for more then 3-4 hours because he has to go more often when heís stressed, and he gets stressed when heís home alone. However, he regularly holds it for 10 hours overnight, which is think is a pretty long time.

I donít think it will be this hard for a lot longer. If you keep doing what you are doing, with small adjustments to prevent accidents, I really think you will start seeing her hit some milestones that make it easier to get through the long haul with potty training. At 6 months mine wasnít even close to completely potty trained, but it was still much easier than it was at 4 months. 9 months was easier than 6, etc. I would say my Havanese was completely trained around 14 months.

I hope something there helps!
Thanks so much for your encouraging words it really helps as sometimes I feel like I am totally on the wrong track! I have also been writing EVERYTHING down everyday, as in when she ate, when she peed when she pooped when she had an accident, when she was excited and had an accident etc. trying to see if it will give me some clarity. Her last water is at 8pm and I make sure she pees twice before bed after her last water, so by 10pm she is in her confinement. She holds until I take her out at 7am and I don't want to jinx her but she has been very good about that thankfully. It was very challenging at first when I got her as she had gotten used to peeing where she slept so it took me a while to "clean" her. Your tip on placing her in the area where she is more likely to pee is very interesting I had not thought of it but I will definitely pay more attention and get her to spend more time there. I don't mind taking her out more often but I was under the impression that she needs to get used to holding it for longer? If I keep taking her out more often then won't she always get used to just emptying her bladder more often?
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I don't mind taking her out more often but I was under the impression that she needs to get used to holding it for longer? If I keep taking her out more often then won't she always get used to just emptying her bladder more often?
She will gradually hold it longer on her own, truly. It takes longer during the daytime, but sheís holding it all night so thatís a great sign. Itís more important to prevent accidents, so if trying to stretch the time means sheís having accidents, donít push it. Sheíll get there on her own. If she consistently goes 2 hours without having an accident, move up to 2:30, but if she has an accident, back up to 2 hours. If sheís not having accidents at 2:30, increase it to 3. If you leave the house or change your routine, take her out an extra time. Time doesnít really mean anything to her, so I donít think sheís really learning to hold it longer as much as sheís physically able to hold it longer. What youíre really teaching her is the proper place to go potty when she needs to. The more you can show her that when sheís little and needs to go more frequently, the better sheíll learn. Thatís how it makes sense to me, anyway.
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@ricky 's Popi ... Here are some pics of Peppermint Patti known as Patty Cake Sweets with the grandkids and her Golden-Doodle buddy Lucy, with longish hair and short hair.
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What a beauty! Didn't I read on the Forum someplace that she is a Havamix? She sure looks like a 100% Havanese to me. I presume those are your good looking grandsons too. They look like 100% Havalovers to me!

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Patty is AKC registered and comes from good lineage. You have a good eye thinking she's 100% Havanese.
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Oh my gosh. Tux is the same way. He will not drink water once it loses it's frigid temp. He loves ice water and will ignore his own bowl if one of us is drinking ice water from a Tervis Tumbler. The colder the better. He also loves licking the ice at the bottom of one of our empty drinks. He also won't touch stale water no matter how long he has gone without drinking. We have to change his water dish frequently.

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