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Thanks for posting that. I am getting a Havanese puppy later this year. I looked at the harnesses that were recommended in that article and am wondering which is "best" or if there are any that more experienced dog owners recommend? I have added a few to my Amazon supplies wishlist, but I am wondering if I just have to wait until I have the puppy to see what fits? I'd ideally like to buy a couple to have before we get him/her and then can always send what doesn't work back. We don't have a fenced-in yard and will definitely be walking on a leash. I know to use a harness for walking, not a collar but do you all keep a collar on your dog for the license tags but just not use it with a leash? I do plan to train it so that hopefully it doesn't run away but I guess I'm just nervous as a first-time dog owner! My friends all have bigger dogs and they all wear collars with their registration tags and a phone number. Not sure if it's different for toy dogs.
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With Honey, she wore a harness with tags on that. With my new puppy, I did get a small collar with name tag, but will be using a harness for walks. Make sure to take off a collar (if you use one) before crating as it could get caught in the grate. I honestly might not even use the collar. I purchased two harnesses from Amazon to start since I wasn't completely sure about size yet.
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Thanks for posting that. I am getting a Havanese puppy later this year. I looked at the harnesses that were recommended in that article and am wondering which is "best" or if there are any that more experienced dog owners recommend? I have added a few to my Amazon supplies wishlist, but I am wondering if I just have to wait until I have the puppy to see what fits? I'd ideally like to buy a couple to have before we get him/her and then can always send what doesn't work back. We don't have a fenced-in yard and will definitely be walking on a leash. I know to use a harness for walking, not a collar but do you all keep a collar on your dog for the license tags but just not use it with a leash? I do plan to train it so that hopefully it doesn't run away but I guess I'm just nervous as a first-time dog owner! My friends all have bigger dogs and they all wear collars with their registration tags and a phone number. Not sure if it's different for toy dogs.
With all my dogs as teeny puppies, the Puppia mesh vest harnesses worked best. The walking harnesses I like best aren’t made small enough for young Havanese puppies, but, honestly, you shouldn’t be taking puppies that age for real “walks” yet anyway. The vest harness is fine for a while.

After going though MANY different harness models over the years, the Petsafe 3-in-1 model is by far the best, IMO, in terms of customizable fit, lack of rubbing, (which causes mats) and lack of shoulder restriction. It has a front attachment point for discouraging pullers, as well as a back attachment point. It has a strap included for use as a car harness, though I, personally don’t let my dogs ride in car harnesses. It also has clips that are in easy spots to get to on a fluffy dog, high on the shoulder and high on the ribcage.

The initial adjustment is a bit fussy, but once it’s done, it’s done. They are adjustable enough that the XS fits all of mine, from “big guy” Kodi, with sll the straps let all the way out, to little, slight bodied Pixel, whose harness is adjusted as small as it goes. (Meaning that this harness probably WON’T work for those Havis much under 10 lbs as adults)

My dogs do not wear collars or tags when they are at home. Only when we are off the property. Collars can be a serios danger to a dog in a crate or ex-pen, and on a Havanese, they also cause matting. You should talk to your vet about getting your puppy microchipped, so that he has a permanent method of identification, just in case the very eorst happens, and you lose track of him!
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Thanks Karen! I just added the Puppia harness and matching leash! I already had the Petsafe 3 in 1 on my list. Someone else must have recommended that one! At what age can you start real walks?

A couple of vets here said to microchip when they get spayed/neutered since they are under anesthesia and it won't hurt. I liked that idea unless anyone else says otherwise. Still trying to figure out which vet to use. After polling friends there seem to be 4 vets that everyone uses within a 15-minute drive from my house. I called to speak to someone at each of them but none of them would let me speak to a Dr, only to the front desk or one had me speak to a very opinionated vet tech. I didn't love him, he told me repeatedly that I should have wanted a female, not a male Havanese! Of course, now I am second-guessing myself! One place took my name and number over a week ago and said someone would get back to me, but they didn't. I will try them again but not a great first impression. I wanted to know about vaccines mostly but also get a sense of who they are. I'd ideally like to find a vet that doesn't push more vaccines than needed. The breeder suggested the Dodds protocol however none of them have heard of that. I think the Doctors themselves might know it, but a receptionist would not.

I feel bad that due to Covid I won't be able to go in with my puppy. They all pick up the dog from the car now and call you on the phone after. I worked at a vet's office in High School and while the Doctors were great, it was just another day of work. I would love to be there so they aren't scared of going with a stranger to a strange place. The training books all say to give treats every step of the way at the first vet visit. I am guessing they won't bother with that as much if the owner isn't there to watch.

Good to know about the collar in the crate. I definitely won't do that then! One less thing to buy! :-)

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Thanks Karen! I just added the Puppia harness and matching leash! I already had the Petsafe 3 in 1 on my list. Someone else must have recommended that one! At what age can you start real walks?

A couple of vets here said to microchip when they get spayed/neutered since they are under anesthesia and it won't hurt. I liked that idea unless anyone else says otherwise. Still trying to figure out which vet to use. After polling friends there seem to be 4 vets that everyone uses within a 15-minute drive from my house. I called to speak to someone at each of them but none of them would let me speak to a Dr, only to the front desk or one had me speak to a very opinionated vet tech. I didn't love him, he told me repeatedly that I should have wanted a female, not a male Havanese! Of course, now I am second-guessing myself! One place took my name and number over a week ago and said someone would get back to me, but they didn't. I will try them again but not a great first impression. I wanted to know about vaccines mostly but also get a sense of who they are. I'd ideally like to find a vet that doesn't push more vaccines than needed. The breeder suggested the Dodds protocol however none of them have heard of that. I think the Doctors themselves might know it, but a receptionist would not.

I feel bad that due to Covid I won't be able to go in with my puppy. They all pick up the dog from the car now and call you on the phone after. I worked at a vet's office in High School and while the Doctors were great, it was just another day of work. I would love to be there so they aren't scared of going with a stranger to a strange place. The training books all say to give treats every step of the way at the first vet visit. I am guessing they won't bother with that as much if the owner isn't there to watch.

Good to know about the collar in the crate. I definitely won't do that then! One less thing to buy! :-)

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Although it is great to have a vet only 15 minutes away, I would expand my search area to get a really good vet. They should be able to tell you something about their vaccine protocol and whether or not they will do titers. If not, I would continue my search.
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I didn't really plan for a 15 minute radius, those were just the ones that friends recommended and all happen to be pretty close. I am happy to travel farther but didn't want to just base it on the internet. I Will try to reach out to more dog owner friends, maybe those that don't live in my town. Thanks!!
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I didn't really plan for a 15 minute radius, those were just the ones that friends recommended and all happen to be pretty close. I am happy to travel farther but didn't want to just base it on the internet. I Will try to reach out to more dog owner friends, maybe those that don't live in my town. Thanks!!
I recently switched to my current vet who I am extremely happy with. One thing I did was prepare an email with all my questions. I then called the vet and asked the receptionist to please have the vet look at the email and answer my questions. She responded and I got the answers I needed. If a vet will not take the time to do this, this is a huge RED flag.
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That is a GREAT idea!! I totally get and respect that they are probably quite busy right now. I think I will do that too! If you don't mind my asking, would you be willing to share the email or some of the questions that you asked? I definitely have a few but I am sure that there are many that I don't even know to ask yet! Thank you!!
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That is a GREAT idea!! I totally get and respect that they are probably quite busy right now. I think I will do that too! If you don't mind my asking, would you be willing to share the email or some of the questions that you asked? I definitely have a few but I am sure that there are many that I don't even know to ask yet! Thank you!!
Yes vets are busy people and we do not want to waste their time. However, we do need information and so we need to get it as efficiently as possible. My vet did have some basic information on their website which helped me too. For example, they said that they develop vaccine schedules based upon the individual animal vs. blindly vaccinating every animal for everything. They also said they offer titers. Basically my questions were surrounding vaccines since Mia had a horrible vaccine reaction. I basically said that I want no more vaccines for my dogs and wanted to know if they offered titers in lieu of vaccines. I also asked them if they would do an additional type of heartworm test as well as the normal test that will catch it earlier since my yorkie cannot tolerate heartworm drugs. This is a test that many vets are unaware of. They answered these questions and passed with flying colors. They are also fear free certified which is a huge plus if you want to minimize stress at the vet. As far as initial vaccine protocol, you would think they would be aware of Dr. Dodd’s protocol. If not, they should explain their protocol so you can compare theirs to hers, providing that is the one you want to use.
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