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How do your Havanese babies do with their vaccinations? We went to the vet today for her second round of shots and she did not do well. She slept all day and wouldn't drink or potty. She was in so much pain! She was yelping and howling every time she was touched or tried to move. It sounded more like screaming. We had to take her back to the vet late this afternoon. The doctor gave her Meloxicam. No fever and she doesn't seem allergic. She is still sleeping tonight, but she did wake up long enough to eat, drink a little water, and go outside, and she didn't scream when she moved. The Meloxicam seems to be helping. She was on the couch with me until this evening. Now she is crashed in the middle of her toys. We have to do this again in 4 weeks and then again 4 weeks after that. I hope this doesn't happen every time. Any advice or thoughts are greatly appreciated.
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I hope you know about the minimal vaccination protocol advised for Havanese by most breeders. It can be found on Dr. jean Dodds website. Havanese are a vaccine sensitive breed, and it’s TEALLY important not to over-vaccinate and not to give them too many vaccines at the same time. If tou have one that is reacting so negatively at this age, you need to be especially careful.

My girls both got only two puppy vaccinations for distemper and parvo, and after that, with the agreement of my ver, we titered them. Both had good protective titers, and at 4 and 5 years of age, those titers are still holding just fine.

Now, I believe that since then, the recommendations have changed because of a more virulent strain of parvo, and that Dr. dodds (and Dr. Schultz, the other vet who is tops in the world of immunology) are now both recommending a third dose of parvo ONLY.

Lepto and Lyme are generally NOT recommended for most Havanese, nor is Bordetella, though this can differ depending on individual circumstances. But all of this should be discussed in detail with your vet, both in light of the fact that the breed is known to be vaccine sensitive and also considering your puppy’s rather significant reaction to vaccinations so far.

I also give my dogs Thuja, which is a homeopathic, with any vaccination. Lots of people don’t believe in homeopathy. I don’t honestly know whether it helps or not. I DO know it can’t hurt them, and my vet’s office recommends it for all their clients, so I figure if there is a chance it might help, I give it! (The homeopathic for Rabies vaccine is Lyssinum)
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If rabies vaccines is required, I think it is critical to give that separately to determine if a reaction occurs. Otherwise, you will not know which vaccine caused the reaction. Since the rabies vaccine is legally required in many areas, it is harder to avoid so it is good to know if your dog has a bad reaction to it. Also, it is good to do the 3 year vs 1 year rabies vaccine if you have to give it.
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Aw, I'm sorry she had a tough time with the vaccines. Which ones did she get? Hopefully, she'll continue to feel better today. I know that the breeder we are using recommends Dr. Dodds protocol as Karen mentioned above.

I am already looking to figure out how to get all of the vaccines in. I live in NY where Rabies is required by no later than 4 months after birth. Dr. Dodds says give Rabies 3-4 weeks apart from other vaccines. If they get Distemper + Parvovirus, MLV at 9 – 10 weeks of age, Distemper + Parvovirus, MLV again at 14 – 15 weeks of age, and Parvovirus only, MLV at 18 weeks, when do you all suggest to do Rabies? I would only have 2 weeks on either end if I did the 2nd round at 14 weeks, Rabies at 16 weeks and the last Parvo at 18 weeks. Guessing that's the way to do it.

Karen, I'd love to know home about the homeopathic remedies you mentioned. Does your vet supply them or do you buy them and give it before/after the vaccine? Is there a recommended dose? I'd love to ask the vet about this. My kids and I take homeopathic remedies so I am interested in learning more about that. Thanks!
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Harley Update

Thanks so much to all of you that responded with insight and advise! I SO appreciate it. I was so worried about her yesterday. She is MUCH better today! For those that asked, she got the distemper/parvo/adnovirus... all-in-one vaccination - it was her 2nd one, the breeder gave the first before we picked her up.

I need to call the breeder to see how she did when she vaccinated her the first time. I will definitely take the information you all have shared to my vet and have a conversation with them prior about vaccinations and Dr. Dodds protocol. It looks like in 12/2019 the vet schools in the U.S. adopted that protocol. Impressive! Her next distemper/parvo/adnovirus combo vaccination is supposed to be in 4 weeks. She is scheduled to get her rabies in 8 weeks, so it will be a single shot with no other vaccinations.

She has eaten today and drank, and she played with me for a while. Still sleepy, but so much better! I'm starting to see her spark return!
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One of my havanese puppies had the same reaction to her vaccines. She received all vaccines from the same vet. My other havanese puppy had no reactions to this same vaccine protocol.


2016 Dodds Vaccination Protocol for Dogs

9 - 10 weeks of age Distemper + Parvovirus
Merck Nobivac (Intervet Progard) Puppy DPV
My puppy got shot @ 9 weeks, had no reaction
this is a thimerosal free, PUPPY dose

14 – 15 weeks of age Distemper + Parvovirus
MLV Merck Nobivac (Intervet Progard) Puppy DPV
My puppy got shot @ 14 weeks of age.
3 hours after shot, my puppy went from playful to panting with what seemed to be significant spinal pain, so I took her to the Vet ER and they gave pain medicine. She didn’t want touched, much less picked up for 3 days.
She was totally fine 3 days after getting this vaccine.

18 weeks of age Parvovirus only, MLV
Dodds says: New research states that last puppy parvovirus vaccine should be at 18 weeks old.
My puppy got shot @ 18 weeks of age
3 hours after shot, my puppy again went from playful to panting with what once again seemed to be significant spinal pain.
Vet had told me ahead of time to, like last time, give prescription pain medicine and rest.

20 weeks or older, if allowable by law Rabies
give 3-4 weeks apart from other vaccines
my puppy got shot at 21 weeks of age and had ZERO trouble
my state does not give medical exemptions for rabies
-lyssin
don’t touch with skin, hold vial upside to get oral pellet
day before 2x/day
2 minutes before vaccine
when get home from vaccine
2/3 times/day for 2-3 days
Thuja
6 hours before: 1/4 of 25mg benadryl
iv steroid dexamethathon
30 minutes before: pet gave



Distempter Parvo Merck Nobivac (Intervet Progard) Puppy DPV
This is an optional booster or titer. If the client intends not to booster after this optional booster or intends to retest titers in another three years, this optional booster at puberty is wise.
I will titer instead of giving booster

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None of the vets or pet stores in my area had the below vaccines. So I bought them from www.revivalanimalhealth.com

1) Syringes
3cc MonoJect with 22 gauge Needles - 3cc, Luer Lock, 22g x ¾", 25 ct
item #30983-1242
$6.25

2) Parvo Only
NeoPar Single Dose
#30401-306
$4.49

3) Distemper and Parvo
25 doses (vets and revival.com said manufacturer had been out of single dose vials for along time)
Nobivac Puppy-DPv (Progard Puppy-DPv)
#30350-415
$104.99

4) Shipping Box
Polar Box with Extra Ice (Auto Add for Cold Items) $5.00

Subtotal: $120.73
Promo: $-10.00
TOTAL $ 110.73
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I am glad your little sweetie is feeling better.
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Aw, I'm sorry she had a tough time with the vaccines. Which ones did she get? Hopefully, she'll continue to feel better today. I know that the breeder we are using recommends Dr. Dodds protocol as Karen mentioned above.

I am already looking to figure out how to get all of the vaccines in. I live in NY where Rabies is required by no later than 4 months after birth. Dr. Dodds says give Rabies 3-4 weeks apart from other vaccines. If they get Distemper + Parvovirus, MLV at 9 – 10 weeks of age, Distemper + Parvovirus, MLV again at 14 – 15 weeks of age, and Parvovirus only, MLV at 18 weeks, when do you all suggest to do Rabies? I would only have 2 weeks on either end if I did the 2nd round at 14 weeks, Rabies at 16 weeks and the last Parvo at 18 weeks. Guessing that's the way to do it.

Karen, I'd love to know home about the homeopathic remedies you mentioned. Does your vet supply them or do you buy them and give it before/after the vaccine? Is there a recommended dose? I'd love to ask the vet about this. My kids and I take homeopathic remedies so I am interested in learning more about that. Thanks!
My vet supplies them. But you can get Thuja at Whole Foods, so that one is easy. Lysinnum is only for animals, so you need to get it on line. The dose is the same for both. 3 pellets in their drinking water daily, the day of and three days after, if there is no reaction. If they have a reaction, you continue for one week after the reaction subsides.
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So glad to hear Harley is feeling better. I really don't like this topic. We have talked with our vet and take her advice (regular vaccinations), and I'm always nervous Shama will have a reaction even though she hasn't thus far ...
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So glad to hear Harley is feeling better. I really don't like this topic. We have talked with our vet and take her advice (regular vaccinations), and I'm always nervous Shama will have a reaction even though she hasn't thus far ...
When you say regular, do you mean every 3 years? What does the vet say when you ask about titers? I know many vets do not mention titers unless you ask about them. If Shama has kidney disease, I would think it is even more critical to avoid unnecessary vaccinations. Just wondering if the vet said anything about that.
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