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All went pretty well at the vet's office today. Gloria and I managed to keep them from giving Picasso any shots or trimming his nails. The breeder has him up to date on shots, and I'll take care of his nails myself.

He had been scratching his left ear a lot so I asked them to check it carefully. They got a lot (for such a small ear) of discharge out of it using several Q-tips. They examined the discharge and determined that he has a yeast infection in his left ear. The right ear is fine. Anyone else had that issue? If so, is it ongoing or does it usually clear up as they get older? They cleaned his ear with several Q-tips and put some ointment in it.

The vet recommended Revolution (selamectin) Topical Parasiticide for Puppies & Kittens for fleas and several other parasites. I wouldn't let them apply it, but brought a little tube home with me to use if it seems prudent to do so after I get input from all you experts.

His teeth are slow erupting, but the vet says it is common with Havanese. Has that been your experience? He has his upper canine teeth out and a few molars. All the front teeth are still beneath the gums.

The breeder advised against Leptospirosis vaccination. The vet strongly advised it at his next visit in three weeks, saying that the vaccine has been much improved recently. Please give me the arguments for and against vaccination. The vet also advised Bordetella for kennel cough, saying they have been seeing a lot of it lately. Again, please give me your opinion.

Sorry for all the questions, but we've fallen head over heels in love with the little guy and want to do everything the best we can for him!

Oh, he weighs 3 pounds 11.5 ounces, up from 2 pounds 15.5 ounces last Saturday when we picked him up. Seems like a lot of weight gain; is that normal?

Thanks for all the advice. I really do value and appreciate it.

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It's up to you , and your local situation. I don't do any more than what's recommmended by Jean Dodds. http://www.weim.net/emberweims/Vaccine.html Oh yeah, make sure to separate the rabies vac. from the others by the recommended time that she says;?

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All went pretty well at the vet's office today. Gloria and I managed to keep them from giving Picasso any shots or trimming his nails. The breeder has him up to date on shots, and I'll take care of his nails myself.

He had been scratching his left ear a lot so I asked them to check it carefully. They got a lot (for such a small ear) of discharge out of it using several Q-tips. They examined the discharge and determined that he has a yeast infection in his left ear. The right ear is fine. Anyone else had that issue? If so, is it ongoing or does it usually clear up as they get older? They cleaned his ear with several Q-tips and put some ointment in it.

The vet recommended Revolution (selamectin) Topical Parasiticide for Puppies & Kittens for fleas and several other parasites. I wouldn't let them apply it, but brought a little tube home with me to use if it seems prudent to do so after I get input from all you experts.

His teeth are slow erupting, but the vet says it is common with Havanese. Has that been your experience? He has his upper canine teeth out and a few molars. All the front teeth are still beneath the gums.

The breeder advised against Leptospirosis vaccination. The vet strongly advised it at his next visit in three weeks, saying that the vaccine has been much improved recently. Please give me the arguments for and against vaccination. The vet also advised Bordetella for kennel cough, saying they have been seeing a lot of it lately. Again, please give me your opinion.

Sorry for all the questions, but we've fallen head over heels in love with the little guy and want to do everything the best we can for him!

Oh, he weighs 3 pounds 11.5 ounces, up from 2 pounds 15.5 ounces last Saturday when we picked him up. Seems like a lot of weight gain; is that normal?

Thanks for all the advice. I really do value and appreciate it.

J
Kodi got a yeast infection in one ear when he was a small puppy too. Once it was cleared up, we've never had another problem.

We started Kodi on Frontline as a flea/tick preventative. But different products work best in different areas. Your best bet is to work with your vet and breeder on this one.

Kodi's teeth were all fully erupted when I got him, but that is typical for dogs in his family. There are a lot of Havs who have teeth erupting later. As long as they eventually get them (parents or earlier litters from the same parents are probably the best predictors) it really doesn't matter whether they come in later or earlier.

I would NOT get Lepto vaccine for Kodi. There are a number of different strains of Lepto, and the vaccine only guards against a small number of the strains. It is also THE most likely vaccine to cause adverse side effects. The best way to prevent Lepto is to keep your dog from drinking out of puddles where wild animals may have been drinking.

As fr as Bordatella is concerned, I guess it depends on a number of factors. If you are planning on day care or boarding, the facility may require the vaccine. This is also true of some grooming places. HOWEVER, the vaccine only prevents a small number of the many causes of kennel cough. So getting the vaccine doesn't mean your dog can't get kennel cough. It also isn't effective for very long... you have to get it renewed every 6 months or so, just to have it effective against the few strains it works against. Finally, in healthy dogs, kennel cough is annoying, but rarely fatal. Kodi does not go to day care, and when he needs to be boarded, it is in-home boarding with a friend. I feel that his exposure is minimal, and I'd rather take a chance with the disease itself thatn with repeated exposure to the vaccine.

I think that you will find that people with Havs have mixed responses on the Bordatella vaccine. The same is true with flea and tick preventatives... which products work best depends very much on the dog and on the area you live in. I think VERY few Hav owners allow their dogs to be given Lepto vaccine unless they live in a real hot spot, where the disease is being regularly seen in the local DOG population.


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Sounds like you got some answers to most of your questions.

Augie got a yeast infection in an ear when he was small too. This does not seem to be a rare occurrence as it seems I have heard of several puppies who have gotten them when small. He has not had one since. I do try to keep big wads of hair out of the entrance to his ear canal so air can get in. And I cover his ears when bathing - just hold the ear flap over - and then dry thoroughly when finished.

Augie gained weight quite rapidly in the beginning as well. I thought, at the rate he was gaining, he was going to end up HUGE, but then he slowed down and is now around 13-13.5 lbs. It seems that the lines vary in their rate of gain. Some gain slower but gain over a longer period. Some gain fast in the beginning, but then slow down.

Augie had his baby teeth when we got him.

We do not get Lepto vaccine. Is Lepto an issue in your area? I think it was in October at Cannon Beach, OR, sea lions were coming ashore, sick with Lepto. We have just heard that Havs don't tolerate it well and our vet doesn't give it.

We do get Bordatella (nasal spray) as it was required for our training classes as well as the doggie day care we occasionally take him to. The vet didn't initially recommend it, said it wasn't that effective because, as Karen already noted, there are several different strains of kennel cough and the vaccine only addresses a few of them.

Augie did not have any reaction to the Rabies vaccine; however, the last Parvo/Distemper/?/? (don't remember what the last part is) this last time knocked him on his fanny. I want to investigate titers next time this vaccine is due.

We also haven't used any flea/tick preparations on Augie. Well, except at his 48-hour check when the vet walked in and broke the top off of a tube of Frontline and applied it to the back of his neck before I even knew what was happening and when I asked what it was he told me it was my 'free dose of frontline'. I could have smacked him. I do not go to that vet any more - I see the female vet in the same office who I really like and who I feel at least listens. She is the one who offered to refer us to another veterinary office in town for Augie's neuter that sends the pups home the same day rather than keep them overnight with no supervision.

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Great responses. Thank you all SOOOOO much! Again, after input from this forum I feel so much better prepared to make decisions related to Picasso.

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I used Frontline with my dogs when they were little, but switched to Comfortis as I find it is WAY more effective and it's a pill, so there is no topical mess or risk of a reaction on their skin. I think that Picasso is too young for Comfortis, though, I believe they need to be 6 months?

Anyway. You should have no need for a flea/tick preventative right now because he shouldn't be going outside or interacting with other dogs until he's had all of his shots. This is usually around 12-14 weeks.

NO to Lepto. Havanese are prone to reactions, plus the risk is very low. I wouldn't give any vaccines that aren't absolutely necessary. Same with Corona - most vets don't recommend it, but some might, and that's also a big fat NO.

My dogs have had the Bordatella vaccine up until now...Roscoe is due and I'm still not sure if I want to give it...the only thing is that they do play with dogs at the park and in Miami it's very common for people not to vaccinate their pups properly, so I'm a little wary of R & S not having the protection. We shall see...

As for the ear infection, Stella had the same thing a few months ago. We just clean her ears every 5 days or so with the ear wash from our vet...we used to only clean her ears every 2 weeks (bath days) but she has really thick ears and is prone to buildup, so we need to clean them a lot more often. As opposed to Roscoe who hasn't had his ears cleaned in many months because he won't let us or the vet do it - but they're clean because Stella cleans them for him. LOL

ETA: His weight gain seems normal. They grow like WEEDS at that age! Roscoe was 2 lbs when we picked him up at 2 months old - by 6 months he weighed almost 10 lbs! That's 2 lbs a month, average. They gain more in the beginning and start to level off over time. He only filled out after 6 months of age, and now at almost 17 months he only weighs 12 lbs.

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When we picked Lola up from our breeder last weekend, she included a very extensive package about her that included her pedigree, health record, and information about her health and vaccine information.

She warned us against the Lepto vaccine as it has been shown to alter the personality in pups and as Krandall mentioned, there are different strains, so it's difficult to know which one they would come into contact with (much like the flu vaccine in humans)

Our Vet simply recommended a booster based on Lola's vaccination schedule/administration from the breeder and her Vet.
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I wouldn't use a traditional flea tick pesticide. They are made from organophosphate pesticides and can be very harmful to you, your pet, and the environment.

http://www.nrdc.org/health/effects/qpets.asp

I give Lily a Brewer's Yeast tablet everyday and in the summer give her an Apple Cider Vinegar wash and she has not had fleas or ticks in her 2 years of life. She was in the same backyard in MN all summer that I contracted lyme in and she has been fine.

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We absolutely have to use flea protection here in SE GA! I like Comfortis which as Natlalie just said is a pill so no sticky mess in the hair. My vet said he hasn't had any dogs in his practice have a bad reaction to it, either.

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