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Backyard Breeder?

Please note, I am not looking to breed or buy another Havanese. All my pups are fixed I'm just asking your thoughts.

If a person decides to breed without showing, in your opinion, is this a backyard breeder?

Keep in mind, this person is willing to do the following:

Have other breeders and mentors evaluate the dog
Do all the required health testing, hips, knees, hearing, eyes etc. on the dog
Both parents of this dog have been health tested
Socialize the pups in the home, with people and other dogs
Start the housebreaking process

In a perfect world, I would like to see all breeders show their dogs to Championship, do all health testing, socialize, and housebreak. I know some well known breeders who show & health test, but don't socialize or housebreak. Are they bad breeders? Or are they good breeders, just because they show and health test? The number 1 reason dogs get surrendered to a shelter, are not because they didn't meet the standard, it's because they weren't properly housebroken or socialized. So would you go as far to say this person is unethical and a backyard breeder?
I've been in the show ring and have seen what goes on with politics. I often see dogs win that shouldn't. I'm not saying I agree with this person, but I would not go as far as saying they were a backyard breeder. Although this is not an ideal breeder for some of us, I would probably purchase a puppy from this person.

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Cali's breeder fit the examples that you gave.
Cali, as a puppy was wonderfully socialized and raised in a fabulous, enriched environment.One of her parents was a champion and both were health tested etc. I don't necessarily think a person has to show dogs to breed well.
I wouldn't characterize her as a back yard breeder, maybe a hobby breeder.

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good question...very well worded! i'll be interested to read what others have to say on this topic!

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I would buy from this person too. All the things that he(she) is willing to do even without showing the dog to a championship, gives me the confidence to get a puppy from him. Is this a backyard breeder? I don't think so.

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I wouldn't classify this type of breeder as a BYB. I don't think all reputable breeders show their dogs, but I could be wrong.

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Zoeys breeder fits the example you just gave she does all the health testing and even gets up in the middle of the night to take them out. I could tell a big difference in the way she was socialized well at least she does not bark at the vacuum Her husband and her are retired and there dogs are there lives.

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I think I don't agree that they are backyard breeders. I don't know what to call them but they are not also good breeders in my opinion. They are stuck in the middle.

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I bought my baby Ceylon from what I now consider a great 'hobby breeder' - she raises their two dogs, and the puppies, in the house with them, their 4 kids, and their cats; did basic testing on the parents (whom they show); and Ceylon came to me fully socialized, vet checked, dew claws removed, and dewormed. After further consideration (I have no desire to get embroiled in a debate about any of this! ), I am editing my post to only say that I trust Cey's breeder totally, and would do it all over again if I had the chance.

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Wow, Linda - what a brave lady to open up such a can of worms! Thank you, I hope that your posting will help open up lines of communication and understanding so that people don't viciously attack others in the guise of "bettering the breed".

For my 2 cents, for what it is worth - I despise labels for breeders. I believe each and every breeder should be judged individually based on a multitude of factors, the most important, in my opinion, is the love of the breed. If the breeder has that, then the other things will follow.

That being said, I guess those who love to label people would call me a "hobby breeder". I suppose if I had to have a label pasted on my forehead, I would prefer that one - for breeding for the joy of it (which is what a hobby usually is) in my opinion is preferable to me than breeding for the $. Now, all you show people, don't jump on me, thinking I mean that you don't love the breed, because that is not what I meant - if you think that, you are missing the point.

Also, please don't misunderstand me - all of you out there who have firm beliefs as to who should and who
shouldn't be breeding - you are certainly entitled to your opinion and I don't wish you any ill will. I just wish everyone would try not to throw barbs at others who don't agree with them and instead, open the lines of communication and education. Now THERE'S where we can better the breed we all so love!

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My definition of a backroom breeder is: she breeds more than one type of dog, you go to look at the pups, and she doesn't show you the mom or the condition they are living in with the mom..that is how I found my Maxwell...he was so bad, and yes, he is a havanese, but she was out for the money...I don't feel that a respective person who wants to breed a havanese and only a havanese, and makes sure she is in good shape and wants the female to be in the best shape for no way a byb. If this person is getting mentored and taking care of the female pup, and has other havanese only...I would definitely call her a breeder for the breed not a byb...there's a big difference between them..and she is doing this for the love of the breed, not the money...she's probably put in a good chunk of money to the pup, to raise it to be healthy and bring in healthy pups...Sounds like she is doing the right thing to breed her.
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