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Too much protein?

I have seen several posts where member's dogs had problems with too much protein in their diet. Right now, I feed Nature's Variety raw patties in the morning and Orijen at night. Both of these are high protein foods. Is this diet too high in protein?

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From what I understand, high protein diets on non-working dogs can cause problems if the dog has an underlying microvascular dysplasia (like mini-shunts) in the liver because high protein diets put more stress on the liver. Many Havanese that have this condition don't show symptoms on a lower protein diet, so owners often don't even know they have it, and they can lead normal, happy lives.

You can always get a bile acids blood test (blood drawn before and eating a meal) to check liver function if you are worried.

I am leery about diets higher than 24-26% protein for that reason alone -even with good bile acids tests.

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I have seen several posts where member's dogs had problems with too much protein in their diet. Right now, I feed Nature's Variety raw patties in the morning and Orijen at night. Both of these are high protein foods. Is this diet too high in protein?
Hi Deb , unless your dog has problems, there's no such thing as too much protein. Back in a sec with a couple of articles. here's one , by the way , I learned this from Sabine , she's studied it extensively. Years ago they thought you could give too much .
http://www.petmd.com/dog/nutrition/e...in_in_the_diet And here's another one. http://www.ehow.com/way_5591170_cani...tein-diet.html

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Here's Sabine's views on too much protein.? From a letter where I asked her. ...

There is no such thing as "too much protein".
http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index....e=protein_myth
Case in point, the NRC publication gives a "safe upper limit" for things like fat, vitamin A, vitamin D and some

other nutrients, but there is none listed for protein. Dogs are carnivorous animals with dentition and a

digestive tract that are best suited for eating meat, fat and bone. Carbohydrates can be digested, but only if

they are fed in a usable form - which means with their plant cell walls broken down already. Hand a dog a sheaf

of grain or a sack of raw potatoes and he couldn't get much nutrition out of that. Cook them and they become

digestible. What are examples when a dog should not have too much protein. ? There are very few actually.

One thing that comes to mind immediately is a dog where kidney failure has progressed to the point where the dog

is actually uremic, generally meaning lab work shows BUN over 80 mg/dl and creatinine over 4.0 mg/dl. This is

where it actually makes sense to restrict protein to reduce the work load of the kidneys. I have attached a file

that you might find of interest in regards to protein and kidney disease - mainly because most vets still follow

long outdated information.

The other is chronic pancreatitis, because it's not only the fat content of the diet that stimulates the

pancreas, protein also does."

Deb the only thing to concern yourself with protein in the quality not quantity. Check out her link at Better dog care.

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you're right there Missy.

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Even with older dogs, years ago they recommended reducing protein. And many vets are still not up to date on the latest studies, as I found out a few weeks ago. Here's an article on this. http://www.ehow.com/facts_6011643_ol...ein-foods.html

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Thanks, Dave for all the really good information. You are such a great resource for the forum. I feel much better about their diet now.

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