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Ok I wasn't sure where to post this and decided to put it here. This past weekend we nhad Kipper at my sons soccer game and were talking to friends of ours and they introduced us to someone who has a Havanese. We were very excited to meet them becuase it is very rare to meet anyone who knows what a Havanese is let alone actually has one. After about 5 minutes of talking she asked me if we would be willing to stud him with her female hav .... I was quiet for a moment and then responded that I was under a neuter contract and couldn't breed him. She hinted that we could neuter him after he performed his um services. Has this ever happened to anyone here?
I just want to say that I have no issues with anyone who wants to breed their dogs however I have NO interest in this whatsoever.
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Somebody who would approach you that way about having your puppy available as a stud for her female dog is the last person on God's green earth who should be breeding. This is obviously someone who is not in it for the betterment of the breed, or someone for that matter, who has any regard for contracts, the law or who understands morals and/or ethics. That is scary and appalling to me.

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Ok I wasn't sure where to post this and decided to put it here. This past weekend we nhad Kipper at my sons soccer game and were talking to friends of ours and they introduced us to someone who has a Havanese. We were very excited to meet them becuase it is very rare to meet anyone who knows what a Havanese is let alone actually has one. After about 5 minutes of talking she asked me if we would be willing to stud him with her female hav .... I was quiet for a moment and then responded that I was under a neuter contract and couldn't breed him. She hinted that we could neuter him after he performed his um services. Has this ever happened to anyone here?
I just want to say that I have no issues with anyone who wants to breed their dogs however I have NO interest in this whatsoever.
That has never happened to me. It is too bad she would want to have a little of puppy's that way.PS keep your boy away from that bitch. My trainer said I will get use to using that word

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Somebody who would approach you that way about having your puppy available as a stud for her female dog is the last person on God's green earth who should be breeding. This is obviously someone who is not in it for the betterment of the breed, or someone for that matter, who has any regard for contracts, the law or who understands morals and/or ethics. That is scary and appalling to me.
Exactly!! And we have been approached at the park where I walk Augie. The first owner didn't even have a Hav - I believe it was a Lhasa they wanted to breed Augie with. . The second was the owner of a little female Hav, who was very shy and did not have a very nice coat. They especially liked Augie's personality and coat, again In the second instance, he had already been neutered. In the first, I just told them I wasn't interested. And I was so taken aback, that I didn't say anything else.

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Yes, that happened to me. I was horrified! That's what I call, Backyard breeding....ugh!





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yep they're out there.

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can you get more details about this person so you can report the person to PETA?? or just get their email or regular mail and i will be more than happy to send them my "thoughts"
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OK I'm sorry if I am being naive here, but I wouldn't be so necessarily quick to judge your friend, until and unless you know that they don't know what they are doing wrong.

I am not trying to say that they don't already know, I am just saying, you don't know. Maybe I am too willing to give people the benefit of the doubt, but I would just ask them - ask them what they know about breeding, about health testing, about socializing, about what their intended results are with raising puppies. Maybe they do intend to raise backyard-breeder puppies (in which case they will blow off your questions)- or maybe, they just don't know what they are getting into, and you can help educate them. Just sayin, it doesn't hurt to put off judgment until you know more... and you should definitely ask. This may be an opportunity to educate somebody who just doesn't know... and even if they don't care, you can still give them your opinion which at that point, is all that you can reasonably do.

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OK I'm sorry if I am being naive here, but I I am not trying to say that they don't already know, I am just saying, you don't know. Maybe I am too willing to give people the benefit of the doubt, but I would just ask them - ask them what they know about breeding, about health testing, about socializing, about what their intended results are with raising puppies. Maybe they do intend to raise backyard-breeder puppies (in which case they will blow off your questions)- or maybe, they just don't know what they are getting into, and you can help educate them. Just sayin, it doesn't hurt to put off judgment until you know more... and you should definitely ask. This may be an opportunity to educate somebody who just doesn't know... and even if they don't care, you can still give them your opinion which at that point, is all that you can reasonably do.
Hi Heather-
The person at the park was very upfront that she just wanted puppies- she said that she had checked a stud out in Columbus but didn't want to go that far. I jus thought it was very odd that she would ask me that 5 minutes after meeting me and was pushy when I was said I was on a neuter contract with the shelter. She may know what she is doing but I don't believe she was willing to do the testing on the puppies BUT we didn't get that far. This was an acquaintence of a friend at the park. I was just taken aback that they approached us about breeding without knowing anything about us or the puppy. That may kust be my naivete and it took me completely by surprise.
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can you get more details about this person so you can report the person to PETA?? or just get their email or regular mail and i will be more than happy to send them my "thoughts"
PETA is the LAST group I would align myself with. (followed closely by HSUS)

That said, there is NOTHING illegal about breeding your dog to any dog that you (and the other owner want). That's not to say that it's right or ethical, but it's not illegal. Even most contracts state that any puppies from limited registration puppies cannot be registered (as opposed to saying you can't breed your dog) simply because it's VERY difficult for the original breeder to monitor or enforce that piece. The original breeder CAN make sure that AKC knows not to REGISTER any puppies from that breeding.

If your contract specifically forbids using your dog to produce puppies, then the original breeder has grounds for a civil case against you, but there would still be nothing that any legal entity (let alone a political watch-dog group like PETA or HSUS) could or would do. Many breeder's contracts require that the puppies are neutered before they are sexually mature, just to avoid the problem.

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