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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old 04-30-2011, 08:21 PM Thread Starter
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AKC - Not! ???

I am purchasing a puppy from a woman who has a two year old bitch purchased from a reputable breeder and an older sire that has not had current health testing, if any testing at all. The puppy, therefore, will not have AKC papers. Having papers has never meant that much to me, I just want a healthy love-bug. I understand the sire is healthy and both parents have good personalities. I have no intention of showing the dog in confirmation or anything else like that. So, what are your opinions? Should I be concerned about anything. AKC oesn't mean much, or does it?
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post #2 of 24 (permalink) Old 04-30-2011, 08:35 PM
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I think being AKC is VERY important myself. For me personally---I would NEVER purchase a dog told to me to be a purebred anything without the proper AKC paperwork showing that. Whether you decide to register your pet as AKC (when you have papers) is an individual decision,but I personally do because it helps the organization.

The way I view it is this: If the person I am buying a dog from says it is purebred and has no papers to back it up,then why would I pay premium dollars for a dog that otherwise is just a mutt. Now-I know that many people now pay lots and lots of money for mutts they say are "designer dogs"......but that so called designer dog was a mutt in my day that was given away to a good home. It is just my opinion....but to me---I don't believe in the designer dog nonsense and no one would ever talk me into purchasing one for anything more then an adoption fee at an animal shelter. A purebred should be just that......a pure bred dog with AKC papers that show it's lineage.

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I think that the sire doesn't need to be health tested at all for the puppies to have AKC papers. If the puppy doesn't have AKC papers is because one of the parents doesn't have AKC papers or one of the parents has LIMITED AKC papers which means they were not supposed to be bred. ( if I am wrong, someone can correct me, please) It would be a lot better if both parents are health tested if you want to have the best chances to have a healthy puppy. Good luck.


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Diann, I think you should be more concerned about the health-testing (or lack of) on the sire.

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I understand that the sire is 7 years old and DNA testing/sample is required to register the puppies AKC. She plans to neuter the sire (actually planned to before this happened) because he's not as high a standard as she wanted and because he's old. Does this add anything to the picture?
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This sounds strange to me. Why wait until the sire is 7 to neuter if he is not as high standard as she wanted? Not sure about the DNA sample to register the puppies... Maybe someone who knows more can help. If I were you, I would research more about this breeder and even look at other options. This is a very important decision and you should be completely sure of the choice you make.


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It all sounds real shady....I wouldn't go there....

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It all sounds very fishy...I did a quick search on the AKC site for DNA and the only instance it looks like it is required is for "Frequently Used Sires"

[URL="http://www.akc.org/dna/fus_faq.cfm"]

It also appears the test is $35, so it doesn't seem like the cost should be a factor.
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I have an AKC registered dog whose parents were not health tested. I've learned the hard way that having an AKC registered dog doesn't assure you that the breeder is handling their breeding program with integrity. Health testing is of the utmost importance when considering the purchase of a puppy. My puppy was six months old when diagnosed with a hereditary condition that was surgically corrected to the tune of thousands of dollars. Please don't compromise on the Health Testing.
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I would not be very comfortable about this situation. Mostly due to the fact that the sire has not been health tested. And I agree, WHY wait till he is 7 to neuter?? Does this mean she has been using him as a sire for all these years and has never had him health tested??
I would pass on this one!

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