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Looking to join / get a Havanese

To those of you contemplating getting a Havanese ,you've already taken one of the most important steps in the process. And to those of you especially that are first time dog owners, you've come to the right place. And that first step as Dr. Dunbar puts it, is, YOUR EDUCATION.
We have seen over 50 new members in the last month alone. As this breed is becoming more and more popular, the numbers of new dogs and owners is rising likewise. Because you care, you have come here to learn and enjoy with the many loving and caring members here.
I once read an article by someone who didn't like the way Dr. Dunbar seemed to be scaring potential new dog owners with his dire warnings to the new people he was trying to help. But although it may come across as scary, it is the truth . There is A LOT to learn in such a short time. And as he mentions, so many of the things that result in dogs being surrendered to shelters/rescue, are due to totally PREDICTABLE behavior.
With that said , I strongly recommend that you enhance "YOUR EDUCATION" , by reading Dr. Dunbar's free downloadable books ....
Before You Get Your Puppy by Ian Dunbar http://www.siriuspup.com/pdfs/before_puppy_sirius.pdf

After You Get Your Puppy by Ian Dunbar http://www.dogstardaily.com/files/AF...ur%20Puppy.pdf


We hope too that you don't wait until you have full blown issues before you come here here for advice. We're here for you because we care. We wish you many long happy years with your dog and please , don't be shy.

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Great info, Dave. This needs to be in the "new puppy" section that I think is going to be made easily accessible.

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What a coincidence that you posted this, Dave. I was just thinking about posting a question in the puppy section about Ian Dunbar's books.

I've got the actual Before and After book and I've been taking copious notes in preparation for Soleil coming to live with us in a few weeks.

So my question is this - how many people here actually follow Ian word for word and to what level of success? My intent is to be pretty religious about following his advice but that's easy to say in a vacuum. What kinds of challenges should I expect that might not be addressed in the book? IE - what if my dog isn't food motivated?

Should I repost this elsewhere?

Thanks!
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Welcome , I think both books cover all you need for now. The idea is to be prepared for the challenges. There's always an element of adapting to any instructions. Every dog is different. The idea is to follow tried and true advice in the general sense and be consistent. Housetraining falls all apart when you're not consistent. You'll do fine you're doing your homework. Look foreward to your arrival.

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I read Ian Dunbar's "Before and After" book while waiting for Kodi to arrive. I certainly used a lot of his advice, but I tailored it to my life, my puppy, and the start he had already received from our breeder.

I also read a boat load of other books. I found that I got a little confused by all the different advice on potty training, (though, from hind site, I see that all the good ones have the same underlying philosophy... set the stage so they CAN'T get it wrong!) so chose to stick to my breeders method of potty training. Kodi was already well started with that method, so it was easiest just to continue the same way.


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You're right Karen. There are dozens of methods all which will work. You have to find what's right for you. But the mistake people make is not following through or thinking they can skip steps. I never used an ex -pen., a crate or pee pads and let her sleep in bed with us from day one. Not everyone can do that. But once an accident occurs, it makes it easier for the dog to fall into that habit. It's our mistake not theirs. The idea is to set them up to succeed. You have to have a plan before you get your puppy.

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If you didn't use a crate or xpen or pee pads, what DID you do??? Tie her to you all day?
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No , we just took her out every hour on the hour during the day, for a month. Every two hours at night for the first two weeks (yawn). Then every three hours at night for a week. Then twice at night. Never tied her up just watched her at all times. My wife was at home when I was working. At four months we started leaving her alone .(Also part of her SA training). Very slow build up. One minute, two mins.. 3mins 5 min 10 min all the way up to hour. then two hours three four five. Never had an accident except for one at six months. And that one was our mistake because we left her for five hours and she hadn't had her poo, before we left. LOL.
This is something I wouldn't recommend for most people. I think we got lucky because Molly really liked her rewards both verbal and the chicken. She was pre trained on grass and snow only,by the breeder which definitely helps. Substrate has a big bearing on it. Some dogs are particular ,some aren't. But you have to give them the chance to go often ,especially if your training for outside only. Dog training thrives when you set them up to succeed.

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I really appreciate your explanation here. I'm a very visual person and need to see it in my head to get it.

Can you help me take this a step further, please? We live in a condo on the second floor. We have a deck with stairs to the ground but no dirt for quite a trek going out the back door. Or I could hustle her out the front door but my husband is concerned she'll pee on the way out even if I'm carrying her, and the front stairs are carpeted. It IS a shorter trek to dirt, however.

I'm thinking we'll do a temporary potty on the back deck. So here's the question. If I proceed via Dunbar (and you) and take her out every hour on the hour, do we go to the deck potty every time? And if I absolutely train her over the coming months to do her business there, how do I transition her to make the full trek when her bladder is up to the challenge?

While we're at it, I'd like to add a bell to the back door and see if we can train her to use it.

Yay? Nay? Thanks for your help, I really do appreciate it.
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I really appreciate your explanation here. I'm a very visual person and need to see it in my head to get it.

Can you help me take this a step further, please? We live in a condo on the second floor. We have a deck with stairs to the ground but no dirt for quite a trek going out the back door. Or I could hustle her out the front door but my husband is concerned she'll pee on the way out even if I'm carrying her, and the front stairs are carpeted. It IS a shorter trek to dirt, however.

I'm thinking we'll do a temporary potty on the back deck. So here's the question. If I proceed via Dunbar (and you) and take her out every hour on the hour, do we go to the deck potty every time? And if I absolutely train her over the coming months to do her business there, how do I transition her to make the full trek when her bladder is up to the challenge?

While we're at it, I'd like to add a bell to the back door and see if we can train her to use it.

Yay? Nay? Thanks for your help, I really do appreciate it.
Hi, btw what's your first name? I would take her to both. go to the quickest first and if nothing happens go to second spot. She may develope a preference. But don't forget the rewards. And make a walkie a big reward for going. Train her to go in one of these areas and as a reward she goes for walkies . Not a fan of bell ringing, it might be a headache in your case ,if she rings just to go out. LOL That can be implemented later if you want . Check out the current thread on that.

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