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Havs in CA? (Getting closer!)

Hi everyone! I posted a few months ago asking for your advice on getting our first puppy. We are feeling ready and looking for the right one to take home in a couple months. I'm so excited!!!

We live in Los Angeles. My initial research for a breeder led me to Tim w/ T-Wags. I felt really comfortable about choosing him. However DH would like me to look a little bit closer to CA, and I don't blame him... Tampa is pretty far! Although I'm still considering T-Wags, it just makes sense to at least TRY to look closer. I've been doing some research but thought I'd take it to the forums here.

So ideally I'd love to find a male parti or Irish pied, ready for a home starting in August (but we'd be willing to wait longer if needed)... I've been doing some research into CA breeders (and I will be contacting some), but generally I just get stuck at this point bc I feel like I just can't tell who is really good, serious, and experienced. Also it seems that several are taking breaks from breeding. I would really appreciate your input--apologies if I am repeating other posts but I couldn't find info relating to Southern CA. I see there are some Northern CA people and we can drive there too if the right dog is there!
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YAY! so happy that the time is getting closer!!!

Katie Say at MopTopHavanese is amazing! she is in Rocklin and I know there are several others in the Sac area... just google Havanese Club of America and it should give you a listing of breeders that are ethical and do all the testing...

We drove 10 hrs (one way!) to get Tillie and wouldn't change a thing. We adore her!
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Thank you! I just went to her site (I found it through past posts I think as well)... I will contact her too! She's got some cuties, that's for sure!! I think I might just be on information overload a little bit, so it's really nice to hear about peoples' experiences. Do you mind me asking where you drove from?
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we weren't lucky enough to get a Hav from Katie, BUT we went and visited her and her dogs and that is where we met our first Havs! She is an amazing lady! So helpful and kind! we are still in touch and are going to the Hav Playdate in Tracy together this next weekend!
I live in "Far Northern CA" about 2 hours south of Ashland, OR. We got Tillie from Bay City, OR, on the northern Oregon coast, about 15 minutes from Washington!! LOL

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Hi -- I've met a number of breeders here in Ca. Most of which are in the No. Ca. area - Gold Country etc. Here's a couple of things to consider when your working on selecting a breeder.

As I'm sure you know there are 4 major Hav. lines in the US. They vary from the smallish size and silky fur (or hair if you prefer) of the conformation to a bulkier and heavier version. I believe all four lines will have the coat colors you are looking at. So, in your discussions with the breeder ask what their breeding goals are and what kind of lines they are using in their program. I'm a fan of the dogs that will mature out at the higher end of the conformation spec. to me they just 'feel' better.

Both Snoopy and Snickers came from the same breeder and are indeed a bigger dog than some of the others.

I'm sure you know all of the red flags in purchasing a puppy, so I won't go through them now, but will say that when you have selected your breeder it's important that you form an ongoing relationship with them. If they seem to be more interested in the sale to you of żour' puppy than of getting to know you and encouraging a lot of interaction you might want to be careful Again Snick's and Snoop's' breeder and I are in frequent contact -- I keep her updated on their progress and she keeps me updated on her next champions progress...

Add to your list of possible Breeders in Ca. --->
Mary Lopez
Kimberly (Sorry I forget her last name) from Havtahava
Janet Wahl

Hope you get your new friend soon, and that he / she / it's exactly what your looking for!

Cheers!

Jim and Lynda and Snickers and the new P&P machine Snoopy.
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Just a quick question - Jim, how much do your two weigh now? McGee is eight pounds already at a little over 4 mos. Abby at 4 yrs. is 8 lbs.!!!

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To add to what Jim said on sizes, even a breeder who is breeding toward the middle of the size range for the standard may very well produce some puppies that are larger and some smaller. Kodi's parents are both right in the "preferred" range at about 11 lbs... Kodi grew to a slim, trim but largish 16.5 lbs. (and like Jim, he's the perfect size for us!) Likewise, there will be occasional "runts" that are unexpectedly small, but otherwise wonderful dogs. I wouldALWAYS avoid buying a dog of ANY breed from a breeder who "specializes" in dogs that are smaller than the breed standard. (often called "teacups" or "minis") These sub-standard sized lines often have more than their share of health problems.
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To add to what Jim said, there are many good breeders in Northern CA. The ones he mentioned from Gold Country Havanese, of course, and there are several who are members of the Havanese Club of Northern California. You might google both clubs and check everyone out. I got my two girls from Elaine at Lil Pawz, and I couldn't be happier. I've gained wonderful dogs (one weighs 11 lbs and the other is 16 but they are both older. I'm not sure if she ever has any that get to 16 lbs anymore but I rather like the larger size. Less chance of stepping on them! LOL). I've also gained good friends in Elaine and Dennis.
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Thanks for the advice! I will definitely look into more people in Northern CA. I'm getting the sense that the S. CA Havanese Club is a little different-- no play dates at people's houses, as far as I know! Are there any Southern CA owners or club members out there on the forum? As far as size goes, I don't have a particular preference, but I think it's something to think about further. I do love when their hair is wavy and "moppy"! Does that go with a particular line as well? (Jim as you said, it sounds like bigger size tends to correlate with bulkier hair too?) Or does it have to do with how people groom them? I've also heard that some people call theirs "silk" havanese but seem to remember that this is a term that should kind of be ignored...

Anyway great to discuss all this with you guys, thank you again!
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Just a quick question - Jim, how much do your two weigh now? McGee is eight pounds already at a little over 4 mos. Abby at 4 yrs. is 8 lbs.!!!
Both Snickers and Snoopy tip the scales at 17 pounds. (Well, ok 16.8 on the wifes weight watchers scale.) But it's important to note that they were both playing in the sprinklers earlier tonight and are still a little bit wet -- not soaking -- just not bone dry -- so they may be more like 16.5)

Cheers!

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