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Dog Cookbooks or websites?

Does anyone recommend any dog cookbooks or websites for home-cooked fare?

I've been looking at Amazon and there are ALOT more than I anticipated and the reviews are pretty diverse!

When I did feed Gucci homecooked for awhile, I just fed a mix of chicken, brown rice, green beans and pears. She liked it, but I need more ideas.

I've decided to quit buying any food marketed to dogs, obviously...they just sweep the crap off the floor and pass it off as "pet" food.

And now with even Purina being accused of causing liver failure, I feel as if nothing is safe.

Has anyone tried to make their own kibble?

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Hey Kara...

I understand...

I have done lots of research on this [when Quincy was sick I made him food like you do] because I was determined to do it right this time....it's a lot of work.

I opted to go for best dog food I could afford.

Here is a good list of cookbooks for dogs. Just make sure they have all the vitamins & nutrients as well.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw...emade+dog+food

In my reserach I learned that human grade dog food seems to be key. And no wheat or anything that says 'by products' [that's the [email protected]# on the floor]. I was amazed walking around pet stores and so called 'holistic'-ly marketed foods were full of the stuff you don't WANT. You really have to READ the list of ingredients. Also you can look for de-boned chicken [basically human grade]. I use Wellness because it's not super expensive, easy to buy [pet store up street] and rates >100 on the test. They do not state 'human grade' anymore on their packaging. Here's their reasoning:
What does "Human Grade" mean? It used to be on your packaging.
Although our ingredients are in fact "fit for human consumption" thus, "human grade," we are not currently allowed to use the term on our packaging per AAFCO (Association of American Feed Control Officials) regulations. AAFCO needs to officially define the term in order for it to be used. Also, keep in mind that "human grade" is a great way to talk about quality but our formulas are made specifically to meet the nutritional requirements of canines and should not be promoted to be consumed by humans as a low cost diet.

What percentage of your food is "human grade"?
At Wellness we believe in using human grade ingredients whenever possible. Our formulas are 80%+ human grade with only two ingredients that are not considered "edible to humans": chicken meal and fish meal. Interestingly, a division of the UN conducted research during the late 1960's on fishmeal because of its nutrient-rich properties. They found that although great for the body, humans did not like the taste.


Here's the rating system for the store bought.

http://www.acreaturecomfort.com/ratingpetfood.htm

Obviously read ingredients on treats and snacks too if you buy them. Look for pure ingredients [100% dried beef, chicken, etc.].

Sorry I wrote a novel!! LOL. Trish

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Wellness just came out with a kibble that is equal to a raw diet. It only has 3 or 5 ingredients (can't remember the #) and no grains at all, just meat. I got samples from the pet store and my dogs loved it. As for treats, thank goodness they don't like many of them. They only like freeze dried beef liver, flossies and real beef bones. I check every treat to make sure it is not made in China.


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Kara- I've heard Dr. Richard Pitcairn is supposed to be the "guru" of home cooking, so I suppose his book would be a good start. Just make sure that Gucci gets added calcium and vitamins. There's a yahoo group k9kitchen http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/K9Kitchen/ where members discuss raw and home cooked diets. I think you have to join, but its supposed to have alot of info. Hope this helps!
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Thanks!

I've been looking around all day

I have compiled a 20 or so page Word Document of recipes I've found online. If anyone wants it, PM me and I will email it to you. I haven't really READ all of the recipes, so I don't know if they are all that great, but its a start.

I'll look into Wellness, what does it use for preservatives?

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when I was home cooking- I bought a book called "Barker's Grub" by Rudy Edalati. it was very thorough and had a great basic equation so that you could mix it up. (50% meat source, 25% percent starchy carb and 25%veggies) and then goes on to tell you how to adjust for your dog. I found that the less spices the better and I just gave Jasper (didn't have Cash at the time) a multi vitamin from dr's foster and smith. I didn't bother with the nutrients they said to add-- my vet thought that it might make him not eat it.
here it is on the amazon site
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/se...rocess=default


I've heard a lot of people who home cook for their dogs say that the dogs just eat what they eat with a little more emphasis on protein and a meaty bone from time to time.

If you think about it-- egg and toast for breakfast
meatballs and spaghetti for dinner or filet mignon, baked potato and greenbeans

good luck Kara.




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Here's wellness's Q&A

Here's the response about preserving food:
Since you are all-natural, what do you use to preserve your foods?
We chose to use only natural preservatives that come with benefits beyond preservation. Our combination of mixed tocopherols, Vitamin C (Ascorbic Acid on our panels per AAFCO) and Vitamin E preserve the food but also provide additional antioxidants that scavenge free radicals and prevent cell damage.


here's a link to their FAQ

http://www.oldmotherhubbard.com/well...q_index.html#6

I know there are many that recommend a BARF [RAW] diet, I'm just not sure about that.

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Thanks Jeanne, I joined the group! Lots of info to sift through there, lol. What have I gotten myself into?

Thanks, Missy! That is one of the books I have in my "wish list" to consider. It's nice to hear you liked it. I just ordered a bunch of jerky/dehydrator cookbooks too! *sigh*
What type of multivitamin did you use?

Trish, I will keep the Wellness in mind and may supplement w/ it. The main one I am worried about is EQ.

Although you won't see it on the label, since it is often added at the rendering plant and not by the manufacturer, ethoxyquin (EQ) is used to preserve most dry pet food.
EQ is the most powerful of all preservatives and may be the most toxic.
The use of EQ is ... permitted in pet food.
...factory workers exposed to it exhibited side effects similar to those of agent orange:
  • a dramatic rise in liver or kidney damage,
  • cancerous skin lesions,
  • hair loss,
  • blindness,
  • leukemia,
  • fetal abnormalities, and
  • chronic diarrhea.
In animals, EQ has been linked to:
  • immune deficiency syndrome;
  • spleen, stomach, and liver cancers;
  • and a host of allergies."
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Best-selling pet care author, Ann N. Martin, reveals why foods labeled as 'chemical and preservative free' are actually chock-full of deadly poisons...
"Before these animal parts and by-product used for pet food are shipped from the slaughterhouse to the rendering plant, the by-product is "denatured."
This means that crude carbolic acid, cresylic disinfectant, or citronella, is sprayed on the product."


Ethoxyquin (EQ), for example, was found in dogs' livers and tissues months after it had been removed from their diet, and as of July 31, 1997, the FDA's Center for Veterinary Medicine requested that manufacturers reduce the maximum level for EQ be cut in half, to 75 parts per million.
While the law requires studies of direct toxicity of these additives and preservatives, most of these additives have not been tested for their effect on each other once ingested. Three commonly used preservatives, BHA, BHT, and EQ, have a proven synergistic effect that may lead to the development of certain types of cancer.
Butylated hydroxyanisole (BHA) and butylated hydroxtoluene (BHT) are the most commonly used antioxidants in processed food for human consumption. For these antioxidants, there is little information documenting their toxicity or the safety of long-term use in pet food.
In animal feeds, the most commonly used antioxidant preservative is ethoxyquin. While some pet food critics and veterinarians claim ethoxyquin is a major cause of disease, skin problems, and infertility in dogs, others claim it is the safest, most stable preservative available for pet food. Ethoxyquin is not approved for use as a preservative in human food, however.
http://www.doglogic.com/apireport.htm


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Kara- I've heard Dr. Richard Pitcairn is supposed to be the "guru" of home cooking, so I suppose his book would be a good start. Just make sure that Gucci gets added calcium and vitamins. There's a yahoo group k9kitchen http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/K9Kitchen/ where members discuss raw and home cooked diets. I think you have to join, but its supposed to have alot of info. Hope this helps!
That is the book I have. I haven't gone completely to home cooked or raw I was just interested in the topic.

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Kara, here's the multi vitamin I used. I just wrapped it in a little cheese.

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Produc...&N=2001+114001

I'm pretty sure wellness is safe from EQ BHT, etc. other manufacturing blunders - who knows?

I admire you. I just don't think I could do it all the time- and I'm afraid once I started they wouldn't eat anything else.

keep us posted.




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