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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 08-22-2007, 09:27 AM Thread Starter
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Hi All: for what ever this is worth- I just called IMS pet industries- the makers of the Cadet Jerky products--- I spoke with a very nice customer service rep. Who seemed to really talk to me and answer my questions as opposed to taking the company line. She said that their product was made in China but that the inspection process is the same as it is in their plants here in the US and Brazil. And that the owner of the company was in China right now inspecting. Their product is irradiated- and I need to do some more research on that-- I asked her to pass on that we consumers would love to support a made in the USA product (my guess is it would still be irradiated)

I just ordered the Cluckers made in the USA- we'll see how the boys like chicken.

I love the idea of home made jerky- but I just know that I will not be able to keep it up. I have to say that since I have been laying off the rabbit fillets--- my boys are eating more kibble along with their nature's variety medallions. (but is the kibble ok?)

Anyway, here is the sight for the Cadet Treats and the owners statement about the walmart fiasco. just thought I would pass it on.

http://www.imspet.com/default.htm


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As many of you already know, although no recall has been announced, Walmart has stopped selling two brands of Chicken Dog treats after customers voiced concerns that these products may have caused their pets to fall ill.

This letter is to confirm that IMS Trading does not purchase any Chicken treats from either of the companies in question, Pingyang Pet Products Co. and Shanghai Bestro Trading. Please rest assured that all of our brands including Cadet, Pet Time, and Pet Dish are not involved and are safe for your pets to enjoy.

If you need further information, please feel free to contact our toll free number (800) 394-4467.

IMS Trading Corp. sends our appreciation for your continued patronage in advance.

Regards,

Samuel Blachorsky



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I contacted the makers of the beef sticks I give the girls (the name of which I cannot remember at the moment) and they said that their beef is sourced from the US but their chicken is from China. I was assured that it is inspected at least twice.

My concern is, I bet that if we had contacted the two companies who currently have recalls they would say their items are inspected as well. I doubt if there is ANY company who would tell us that they import chicken jerky from China and have no inspections, just sell it right off the boat, so to speak. I don't think any company has enough inspectors to really inspect every lot of every product. It's great to say that the company owner is over in China doing inspections but unless there is someone on site all the time I still wouldn't trust it. Where I work, when we hear that our company president is coming for a visit, our IT lab is cleaned to perfection. He should see it when he isn't here.....everyone wants to look good to the boss but unless they are surprise, on the spot inspections, who knows......

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Gosh, Missy....

That's a tough call.

The underlying problem with "pet foods", is the manufacturers are ONLY legally required to list the ingredients and irradiation that happens at THEIR particular plant. They don't have to disclose what happens to the meat at the supply facility. Often times, these meats are sprayed with BHA, BHT..or most often Ethoxyquin (which is known to cause ALL sorts of problems with pets) But if it is added at the supply facility, it is NOT required to go on the label. That is why, some dog foods have traces of EQ and it isn't listed on the label. OR, meats can be sprayed with herbicides, pesticides, fungicides and other chemicals to keep rats, bugs, etc from infestating the slaughterhouse.

The thing is, irradiation gets rid of things like ecoli, but at the same time, it creates free radicals I'll post a little info on it below, and it basically takes all the nutritional value out of a food, so we might as well feed them plastic.

The research has found that a new class of chemicals is created during irradiation: cyclobutanones. They are chemicals that have been shown to cause genetic and cellular damage in rats as well as people.
"We have solid evidence on the chemistry. Independent groups that have looked at the chemical data, have stated categorically that these chemicals are carcinogenic," Epstein told Marketplace.
Epstein and other scientists say the U.S. Food and Drug Administration FDA disregarded all research showing harmful effects of irradiation and based its approval of the process on studies provided by the companies pushing for irradiation.
irradiated food - food which is exposed to high level radiation for the purpose of sterilizing it. This high level radiation penetrates the food which, as anyone who has paid attention in chemistry knows, raises the energy level of the atoms and molecules which the food is composed of. This results in myriad "free radicals" - atoms which have lost an outer electron due to having absorbed a shot of higher energy.
And instead of being chemically neutral, such an atom has now become strongly attractive. This will break and re-arrange many chemicals bonds in the atoms, molecules and chemical compounds of the cells of the food under radiation. So much so that the cellular processes of any micro-organisms in the food are disrupted, and the micro-organisms in the food are killed.

The cells of micro-organisms live and die by exactly the same chemical laws and processes that our cells live by. And if our cells were subjected to the same radiation, they would die just as surely.

The idea is that the radiation dissipates, and things return to normal. But we have come to know and understand that free radicals form stable compounds that are different from the original chemical compounds, and that the free radicals and the altered compounds are harmful to us in many, many ways - among them a trigger for heart diseases and cancer.

The greatest danger, in my view, is the havoc such free radicals can wreak in the delicate chemistry of reproduction, when our cells, or an ova, divide and replicate - a cell or an an ovum is about the same size as a micro-organism - and in the growth and development of the embryo, when it is acutely vulnerable to any abnormalities.

Personally, I cannot understand how people can be so irresponsible to allow and apply what is such a powerful free radical creation tool that it kills all micro-organisms in the food - micro-organisms which live and die by exactly the same chemistry as we do. To me this is incomprehensible.

Here then is a calm and cogent article by an accomplished and respected Cancer research scientist, plus a few abstracts (no abstracts were available for many more papers) of animal trials done with irradiated food, as listed in the Public Archives of the National Library of Medicine.

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George L. Tritsch, PhD
Cancer Research Scientist, Roswell Park Memorial Institute, New York State Department of Health.

I am speaking as a private citizen, and my opinions are my own, based on thirty-three years of experience since my doctorate at Cornell Medical College, Rockefeller University and, since 1959, as a cancer research scientist and biochemist at Roswell.

I am opposed to consuming irradiated food because of the abundant and convincing evidence in the refereed scientific literature that the condensation products of the free radicals formed during irradiation produce statistically significant increases in carcinogenesis, mutagenesis and cardiovascular disease in animals and man. I will not address the reported destruction of vitamins and other nutrients (what? - more nutrient deficiencies?; my comment) by irradiation because suitable supplementation of the diet can prevent the development of such potential deficiencies. However, I cannot protect myself from the carcinogenic and other harmful insults to the body placed into the food supples and I can see no tangible benefit to be traded for the possible increased incidence of malignant disease one to three decades in the future.

Irradiation works by splitting chemical bonds in molecules with high energy beams to form ions and free radicals. When sufficient critical bonds are split in organisms contaminating a food, the organism is killed. Comparable bonds are split in the food. Ions are stable; free radicals contain an unpaired electron and are inherently unstable and therefore reactive. How long free radicals remain in food treated with a given dose of radiation or the reaction products formed in a given food cannot be calculated but must be tested experimentally for each food. Different doses of radiation will produce different amounts and kinds of products.

The kinds of bonds split in a given molecule are governed by statistical considerations. Thus, while most molecules of a given fatty acid, for example, may be split in a certain manner, other molecules of the same fatty acid will be split differently. A free radical can either combine with another free radical to form a stable compound, or it can initiate a [chemical] chain reaction by reacting with a stable molecule to form another free radical, et cetera, until the chain is terminated by the reaction of two free radicals to form a stable compound. These reactions continue long after the irradiation procedure.

I am bringing this up to give you a rationale for the vast number of new molecules that can be formed from irradiation of a single molecular species, to say nothing of a complicated mixture such as food. Furthermore, the final number and types of new molecules formed will depend on the other molecules present in the sample. Thus, free radicals originating from fats could form new compounds with proteins, nucleic acids [DNA], and so forth.
[ found at: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/8979/page26.html ].




Abstracts: [from the public archives of the National Library of Medicine

1) Micronucleus test in mice fed on an irradiated diet.
Jpn J Vet Res 1989 Apr;37(2):41-7
Endoh D, Hashimoto N, Sato F, Kuwabara M.
A mutagenicity study was carried out in mice fed on a gamma-irradiated diet. As an indicator of mutagenic activity, we observed an incidence of micronuclei in erythrocytes. The average body weight of the mice fed on the diet irradiated to dose range of 400-1,000 kGy decreased, and the mice fed on the 800-1,000 kGy-irradiated diet died during the period from 8 to 14 days after the start of feeding. On the other hand, when the mutagenic activity of the irradiated diet was tested by observing occurrence of micronucleus in erythrocytes, no significant increase was recognized. These results indicated that the irradiated diet had no mutagenic activity, even though it possessed a toxic effect on the growth of mice. PMID: 2779058 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



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Wow, Kara, that is fascinating reading. I am soooo confused and I'm not sure what to do anymore... I want the best for my boys --- but not sure I can keep up the home cooking. (Jerky is another matter--- they CAN do without it )

I really wish there were some clear answers as to who we could trust and who we shouldn't (well we know we shouldn't trust walmart LOL) Thanks for sharing all your research.




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What i would like to know is HOW do we know if we and/or our pets are consuming irradiated/chemical laden food. I have never seen anything labled that states that. Especially since they irradiate to cover up their poor sanitary practices. Nice huh!

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Shannon,

There is irradiated food everywhere. Walmart carries alot of it, unless you specifically purchase "organic" meat or vegetables, there is a pretty good chance it is irradiated.

But, humans eat a bit more diversly than pets do. Pets eat the SAME thing day after day, every meal contains it. Whereas, we might have just a fraction of our intake. I usually buy organic meats, but from now on, I'll be alot more watchful of what I'm buying for my family. My dog-research has enlightened me on even some human foods.

There are ALOT better regulations on human food. What sleighs me, is that any pet food "supplier" can ADD or taint the meat or grain with whatever chemical they want, and you won't even know! Because Pet food manufacturers aren't required to list what the suppliers DO or ADD. Whereas, the process for "human" food is much more responsible.

And whatever isnt' "good enough" for human consumption GOES to our PETS. They don't throw away the bad meat, they irradiate it and feed it to our pets. Its sickening.

Missy, have you searched for human grade rabbit jerky?

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Missy, I found a recipe, you could leave out alot of the seasonings, maybe just add salt and brown sugar and cook it in the oven?

~2 medium rabbits cleaned, all hair and fat removed
~1/4 teaspoon cayenne pepper
~1/4 teaspoon red pepper
~1/4 teaspoon salt
~1/4 cup soy sauce
~1/4 cup Worcestershire sauce
~1/4 cup firmly packed brown sugar
~1/4 cup regular sugar

Remove the meat from the bone and slice as thinly as possible. (Slightly frozen meat slices easier.)

Mix all other ingredients in a bowl. Stir until dissolved. Add the meat and mix well. Cover and refrigerate overnight.

Shake the excess liquid from the meat and dehydrate according to the manufacturer's instructions for your food dehydrator.

If you don't have a food dehydrator, arrange meat in a shallow pan or cookie sheet. Dry the meat in a 150 to 200 degree oven until dry, a minimum of 8 hours.

Cool and store in a glass jar.

Note: Test dryness by dabbing a paper towel on the meat. If it is sticky or some of the marinade comes off it is not done. It should be stiff and tough but not so hard that you can't bite it.


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Ok, as a scientist I feel a need to respond to that article you posted Kara.

First off, let me comment on the abstract that was given as "proof" that irradiation is bad for animals through mouse testing. The level of irradiation used on the food given to those mice is so above and beyond what is legal, it doesn't even make any sense. Do you know that even using 10KGy of irradiation is the highest amount of radiation currently being used on any food items? Anything above that would be a complete waste as bacteria are killed at a level of 1-4 KGy. There is absolutely no way anyone is using levels of 400 KGy to kill off bacteria in pet food or human food.

Just think about it this way, if you stay out on a really hot day for 10 minutes your chances of getting a sunburn are slim to none. However, if you stay out for 4 hours on the same hot day, you are pretty much asking for a sunburn. It's hard for you to say that just because 4 hours of sun will give you a burn then 10 minutes of sun is bad for you. That's pretty much the conclusion that person who wrote the article is coming to.

If anyone were irradiating dog food to such an extent, all of our pets would be dying left and right by the thousands, not the few deaths that have been occurring. I seriously doubt that irradiation is what is causing all of these pet food recalls and problems.

Also, free radicals are very scary things and can cause all sorts of mutations in your DNA. However, notice that even in the abstract listed above (where they irradiate food way above and beyond what is actually done) they mention that although there were growth problems (loss of weight, etc.), they found no mutations in any of these mice. There is no way that free radicals were the cause of these growth problems because if they were, mutations would be abundant in these mice. Instead, if anything, it was probably the loss of nutrients in the food from the high irradiation that caused the weight loss and subsequent death in these mice.

Sorry for the long post, but I just had to put my 2 cents in.
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Kara, you are so cool. Thank you. now I just have to find rabbit.

Lina, I really appreciate your input as a scientist too. This stuff can make you crazy.




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Thanks Kara....I have often wondered about irradiate foods and this valuable information. One question I have is whether the addition of antioxidants would counteract the free radicals.....if so a little vit E might neutralize the effects......but who knows ???

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