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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 03-11-2012, 08:22 AM Thread Starter
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I Can Understand Havs Getting Lost!

We have a wooded area in the back and I have been working on getting some of the twigs and logs out of the area. While I am back there, the boys are free for wonder. And....often Jack just kind of wonders...he smells something and just keeps creeping out of the area. So, I have to redirect him back. Dexter stays close by the house, so it is Jack I have to keep an eye on.

But, I really can understand how these little ones get lost....they find something good to smell and they just keep going until they are out of sight. So, keep a watchful eye on your pups!



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Very wise, Linda!

About 40 years ago, my area was barely developed; it was mostly forest, with a long beach in the distance. Once I'd taught my dogs reliable recalls (they were quite good at it); I could let them off-leash to explore some They were back, reliably, in ten minutes. But - any longer, and I'd have to go searching for them.

One time my Australian Terrier male, Kumbi, got hung up with a sapling stuck through his snug body harness; I had to cut him out with a knife. He wouldn't talk to me when trapped - probably, instinctive survival mechanism; I had to get my other dog, Kwali, to help me find him

But Camellia - she will never be offleash outside a completely secure enclosed area. Havanese are FAST! Maybe it's just because I'm now 40 years older, but she seems faster to me even than Australian Terriers!

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I am not going to lecture you-or sound mean & if I do I am sorry-Please don't let the boys wander around loose-even with you right there-so much can happen and they can bolt-either from seeing something to chase or just to explore-or something could frighten them and put them in flight mode-once they are on a full run no one will be able to catch them. Harness & lead even if they don't like it-make it a long lead and you can still do your yard work with them attached to you.

We have never found Sassi-it will be two months soon-Hearts are still hurting here.

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Pat - thanks for posting that; I surely should have made some similar remarks.

It's not only that Havanese are fast, but also, they are easy prey to various sorts of wildlife, and sometimes, even large coursing dogs.

I'm still new enough here so I'm not familiar with your story of loss. No question, that kind of loss has to be one of the most heartbreaking possible ways to lose a dog.

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I hear you. I was just making the comment to really keep a watchful eye on your pups when outside. Our wooded area is not out in the country, but more neighborhood with a creek (drainage creek) that keeps them a little contained to our area.

I do hear you though, thanks.



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I have a bit different take on this. If you aren't going to put the recall work in first, then FOR SURE they need to be on a leash or long line, or enclosed at all times. But I really feel very secure about Kodi being loose with us, either on our property, or off-leash in the woods. He knows to stay close, and is always within line of sight. He returns to me IMMEDIATELY if I call him. He also knows the "wait" command, meaning that he must stay still until I either catch up with him, or close the distance to where I feel it is safe to release him again.

Kodi loves being off leash, and I wouldn't want to deprive him of that. But it took a LOT of time and consistent effort to get that level of training on him.


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I have caught Sergio with an acorn in his mouth when we are out on a walk and he is on a leash. I would also worry they would put something in their mouths if left to wander. Just this morning we walked by a rolled up paper napkin. Told Sergio to leave it and thought he did until we got inside and he started taking it out of his mouth!
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I have caught Sergio with an acorn in his mouth when we are out on a walk and he is on a leash. I would also worry they would put something in their mouths if left to wander. Just this morning we walked by a rolled up paper napkin. Told Sergio to leave it and thought he did until we got inside and he started taking it out of his mouth!
Tht can happen on OR off leash, though. Kodi was TERRIBLE about grabbing things on the ground when he was a puppy. Now he knows the "Drop it!" command well, and also knows that coming back to me WITHOUT the object will get him a yummy treat.


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Karen - you have a very high level of training on Kodi, and I believe he's safe with you even off-leash.

Camellia isn't well-enough adjusted nor trained yet to be allowed off-leash outside the house-and-yard. I've gone light on training because of her extreme trauma when she became my dog. Working on the training, but very slowly.

Also, of course, evaluating the potentials for danger in the area you're in is a large part of making decisions about allowing a dog off-leash.

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Karen - you have a very high level of training on Kodi, and I believe he's safe with you even off-leash.

Camellia isn't well-enough adjusted nor trained yet to be allowed off-leash outside the house-and-yard. I've gone light on training because of her extreme trauma when she became my dog. Working on the training, but very slowly.

Also, of course, evaluating the potentials for danger in the area you're in is a large part of making decisions about allowing a dog off-leash.

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Absolutely, Carol. Adopting an older, psychologically "damaged" dog is always a different situation. Sometimes they can achieve a high level of reliability, but it takes a lot longer. With others, we just have to adapt to what they are capable of handling and love them for who they are.

I just don't like people to get the idea that with young Havanese without other problems, that it is always "unsafe" to allow them freedom. It's a matter of whether the HUMANS are willing to put in the time and effort to train them to a level where it is safe. There will still be some of EVERY breed that will be unreliable... but it's not a "breed" issue, it's an individual issue. (I have a friend whose Chocolate Lab "turned deaf" any time we were within smelling distance of any swamp! She has gone to the Rainbow Bridge now, but for 15 years this was not a variable in her life. There was no way he "swamp lust:" was going to get trained out of her.)


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