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Hungrier at night before bed time?

Sorry for the long post.

Recently, I hired a "personal trainer" for Sergio, mostly to help me with commands and interactions with other dogs outside my very large apartment complex.

The trainer suggested that I take up the water bottle Sergio drinks from at night, before bed, usually around 10 p.m., so I could also take up the potty pad inside. The trainer recommended no potty pad inside while I'm home.

For the first time since I've had him since late January, Sergio has actually been eating his breakfast in the morning after I take him outside. The food bowl is empty by the time I leave for work. He's been eating 1/2 cup of Purina Pro Plan Chicken and Rice Puppy formual in the morning by 7:30 a.m.

He will eat another 1/2 cup of Purina Pro Plan Chicken and Rice Puppy formula in the evening by 7:30 p.m.

I think he is hungrier in the morning because I took up the water by 10 p.m. Maybe the water was filling him up at night making him less hungry in the morning?

He also now seems to like his Charlee Bear treats. They are the only treats at 3 calories each, that I found I like. He didn't really like them before. I think he is hungrier now that he's on more of a schedule with eating his meals in the morning and evening.

I also give him tiny bits of fresh apple for treats, and he really likes that.

My question is this.

He seemed VERY hungry last night, even though he at his dinner by 7:30 p.m.

I don't know if it's because the weather is nicer and we're spending more time outside. Or if it's because he's no longer "grazing" on his food during the day while I'm gone. I always take his water bottle with us if we're going to be out walking longer than 20 minutes and give him water.

Could bringing the water bottle up at 10 p.m. at night really have caused that much of a difference in his eating?

He's 2. He weighs 11 pounds. He eats 1 cup of Purina Pro Plan Chicken and Rice Puppy formula. 1/2 c. in the morning by 7:30 a.m. and 1/2 c. in the evening by 7:30 p.m. I measure the food. He will also eat a few 3 calorie each Charlee Bear treats, and some tiny apple slices for treats.

Is that enough food for him? Why suddenly is he so hungry in between 7:30 p.m. after dinner and before bed time?
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my little guy has always been a midnite to 2am eater. I wake up routinely in the middle of the night to the sound of kibble crackling (light sleeper). he does eat something about 7pm ish.

it's not every night, but most nights.


hard to say he's been hungrier lately. I wouldn't worry about it.
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I'm pretty sure that;s MORE than enough food for him. Kodi gets half that... (1/4c kibble AM and PM) and is very active with all the training we do. But it's kind of a "normal dog thing" for a dog to want to eat all the time. The number who will regulate on their own is few and far between.

As far as taking his water up, I know that many people do this, but I don't believe in it. I think ALL animals should have access to fresh drinking water at all times. This is especially true if you are feeding kibble, as dogs who eat kibble don't get any liquid out of their food and are less likely to be adequately hydrated.

I choose to keep a litter box in the ex-pen where Kodi sleeps at night, just because we've always had it set up that way. But he slept in his crate with no litter box (but always a water bottle) for 6 months during our house renovation, and never had an accident. I like having an indoor potty option for a small dog, just because _I_ don't like to "hold it" until I am uncomfortable, so I don't think they should have to. I would NEVER use withholding water as a way to cut down the frequency with which I needed to take the dog out to potty.

In your case, where you are in an apartment, and a long way from the outdoor potty, I would want, even more, to have an indoor potty option for my small dog.


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I'm pretty sure that;s MORE than enough food for him. Kodi gets half that... (1/4c kibble AM and PM) and is very active with all the training we do. But it's kind of a "normal dog thing" for a dog to want to eat all the time. The number who will regulate on their own is few and far between.

As far as taking his water up, I know that many people do this, but I don't believe in it. I think ALL animals should have access to fresh drinking water at all times. This is especially true if you are feeding kibble, as dogs who eat kibble don't get any liquid out of their food and are less likely to be adequately hydrated.

I choose to keep a litter box in the ex-pen where Kodi sleeps at night, just because we've always had it set up that way. But he slept in his crate with no litter box (but always a water bottle) for 6 months during our house renovation, and never had an accident. I like having an indoor potty option for a small dog, just because _I_ don't like to "hold it" until I am uncomfortable, so I don't think they should have to. I would NEVER use withholding water as a way to cut down the frequency with which I needed to take the dog out to potty.

In your case, where you are in an apartment, and a long way from the outdoor potty, I would want, even more, to have an indoor potty option for my small dog.

Maybe I didn't explain the correct reason for why the trainer suggested taking up the water bottle at bed time. It's not to restrict his drinking so that he pees on my schedule. It's to make him feel more comfortable, since he won't use the indoor potty option while I am there, and I don't necessarily wake up at 2 a.m. to take him outside.

I guess the trainer, who is also a vet technician at my vet's office/animal hospital, suggested that Sergio really didn't need the water from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m., so he wouldn't wake up feeling like his bladder was going to explode.

At least I know the food intake is enough for him.

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Sorry, I still fail to see how leaving an animal without water is going to make them feel more comfortable. Maybe they don't need to pee, but they are thirsty instead. I have 3 close friends who are vets, including one who is a specialist who lectures for other vets world-wide. All of them choose to provide fresh water for all their animals, including the dogs, at all times.

Again, I know that there are people who do this and see nothing wrong with it. But it's not for the comfort of the animal.


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Sorry, I still fail to see how leaving an animal without water is going to make them feel more comfortable. Maybe they don't need to pee, but they are thirsty instead. I have 3 close friends who are vets, including one who is a specialist who lectures for other vets world-wide. All of them choose to provide fresh water for all their animals, including the dogs, at all times.

Again, I know that there are people who do this and see nothing wrong with it. But it's not for the comfort of the animal.
I see your point.

I don't put him in an ex pen at night or a crate. I allow him to sleep in my bed with me, or under my bed, or wherever he wants to sleep in my room.

The positive change I noticed by taking up the water bottle from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m., is that he now is on a schedule with his food. He will eat his breakfast by 7:30 a.m. instead of me leaving out the bowl of food in his ex pen with him grazing it on it all day while I'm at work. Some days, I would come home and he did not eat all of his breakfast until around 5 p.m., and that would interfere with his dinner.

He has access to 2 water bottles, 16 ounces each throughout the day and evening, except now between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m., when it's bed time. To me that's better for him, than expecting him to "hold" it to pee outside.

I won't potty train him at 2 years old to use potty pads while I'm there, by refusing to take him outside when I know he prefers to go outside. It would be easier for me if he would go on the potty pad instead of me getting up and first thing in the morning taking him outside. However, he won't do his business on the potty pad while I'm there!! He will use the potty pad as a last resort if I'm not there.
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I'm pretty sure that;s MORE than enough food for him. Kodi gets half that... (1/4c kibble AM and PM) and is very active with all the training we do. But it's kind of a "normal dog thing" for a dog to want to eat all the time. The number who will regulate on their own is few and far between.

As far as taking his water up, I know that many people do this, but I don't believe in it. I think ALL animals should have access to fresh drinking water at all times. This is especially true if you are feeding kibble, as dogs who eat kibble don't get any liquid out of their food and are less likely to be adequately hydrated.

I choose to keep a litter box in the ex-pen where Kodi sleeps at night, just because we've always had it set up that way. But he slept in his crate with no litter box (but always a water bottle) for 6 months during our house renovation, and never had an accident. I like having an indoor potty option for a small dog, just because _I_ don't like to "hold it" until I am uncomfortable, so I don't think they should have to. I would NEVER use withholding water as a way to cut down the frequency with which I needed to take the dog out to potty.

In your case, where you are in an apartment, and a long way from the outdoor potty, I would want, even more, to have an indoor potty option for my small dog.
I agree with this.
Henry has been known to get up in the middle of the night and lap up a good amount of water. Typically it is the last thing he does before heading to bed.
Plus, when the seasons change the need for water at different points of the day changes as well.
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I spent time with Sergio making sure he understands "outside" potty really means outdoors, not outside my apartment in the hallway on the carpet, in the elevators, or even in the lobby, on the outside door mats, flower beds, etc. to be a good citizen of a very large high rise building. Since he refuses to use an indoor potty system while I am there, I will continue to take him outside outdoors. I take him outside 4x a day. I also hired a walker to take him for 30 minute walks each afternoon. I purchased and tried a litter box and a grass pad. No go. He holds it.

I am usually awake to take him outside at 5:45 a.m. sometimes earlier. We go for a more "fun" walk at 7:30 a.m. before I leave for work. I take him outside again at 4:30 or 5 p.m. for a "fun" walk and at 10 p.m. before bedtime.

I don't want him to back slide on his progress and his understanding of "outside" potty by having an accident inside the building if he drinks too much water at night.

I appreciate your concern. I did ask the question. I was startled by your response implying I am restricting Sergio's water intake and harming him simply to accommodate my preferences.

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My experience: Dexter 3yrs. Jack 2yrs. Water is always available. Dexter will paw at the water bowl and make noise if the bowl is empty. Dexter is always hungry after his evening meal (he always wants a little tiny snack). Sometimes I give in and sometimes I divert his attention to something else. Dexter gets fed 1/4 cup kibble twice a day.

Sometimes, it is a matter of what is expected each night...maybe I was giving Dexter a snack each night too much.... I know he is getting plenty of food because he gained a pound during the year, which the doctor was not thrilled about. So.....I need to watch that extra food and snacks I give Dexter, so he does not gain anymore weight.

Dexter has a routine each night....anywhere from 2:30am to 3:30am, he needs to potty and out he goes to poo & pee. It doesn't matter what time I take Dexter out prior to bedtime... it could be anywhere from 9:30pm to midnight...he still needs to potty at 3:30am. The things we do for these adorable pups............



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Gucci eats and drinks quite a bit at night. I don't understand her thirst at night, but it isn't' a big deal because she has a bladder like a camel at night (most of the time) or is just too lazy to get out of the warm bed and go outside (more likely) and won't go unless I get up to go, then she thinks she has to go outside as well.

I leave a pee pad out at night for her too.

She typically eats at either 10-11 am or 6-9 and drinks quite a bit between 8-11 pm.

I did try the whole pick the water up at night as to not have to take her out routine, but she would just whimper and lick my face until I gave her a drink, so it was a pretty short lived futile attempt, when you are thirsty, you are thirsty. lol

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