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Update on Fedja and Sasha

Being busy I didn't have much time to check the forum lately, but I thought it was time for an update :-). And I have been missing you all :-)

Sasha is already 4 months and 1 week old, and she is growing nicely. Her current weight is 3.8 kg = 8.4 lbs. She is one crazy thing, but luckily I can inform you that she is slowly becoming more normal lol. She still harass Fedja whenever possible , but not so often like in the beginning. She is one big copycat, what ever Fedja is doing she has to do it, if he takes some bone she must have it, his toy must become hers, if I hug with Fedja she tries to come between us and so on lol. And she is one big drama queen! I'm trying to comb her regularly just to get her used to it, but she then makes such a noises one would think I'm killing her, and I know it can't be painful. She doesn't have a single knot in her coat yet, so there's no reason for such a drama. I'm thinking of buying a small grooming table because of her trying to get away the whole time.
Her coat s still changing and I'm beginning to think that she won't stay black at all! There's clear mahogany (brownish/red) cast in her black coat which is becoming more and more visible every day. I don't know how obvious it is in her pictures? When you look from the distance you would say she is black, but when she stand next to Fedja you can see that he is much more black than she is. I'm really curious what's she is up to. Will she in the end be silver, or perhaps havana brown (both colors are to be found in her pedigree, and her father is a chocolate). I know one other black dog from choco parent who went from black to havana brown, and the color I see in that dog is exactly the color in Sasha's coat. Take a look here: http://www.felici-animali.be/PdC_en_itala.htm
Sasha is finally beginning to learn that she must do her thing outside. We just had a 3 full days and nights without a single accident! She will still do it in house if I don't catch her signals on time, but she knows that outside is a place to be. I'm feeling confident that she will be potty trained very soon.

About Fedja...I wrote a few emails weeks ago to Jean Dodds about his hypothyroidism , and every time I got the answer from her the very same day! She is absolutely fantastic! Fedja's diagnosis was made based on T4 and TSH test results only (T4 being low, as wel as TSH which has to be high in case of hypothyroidism, but TSH is not a reliable test b/c sometimes even with a low TSH dog can still be hypo...so the results where inconclusive) , and a T4 alone is inadequate to diagnose hypothyroidism for certain. I never felt confident about the whole situation. What if there's something secondary going on causing low T4, in which case the true disease is not being properly treated? On the other hand if he is really hypothyroid I would be putting his body on unnecessary stress stopping with his meds. Pffff...it's been very hard.
So in the end I found the courage to stop with his medication (minimum time of 6 weeks required before the meds are out of his system) and send his blood to Dr. Dodds. It's been over 7 weeks now, and yesterday we went to the vet to take some blood samples that will be sent next Monday to Hemopet to perform complete Thyroid Profile 5 test. Hoping to get the results soon.
Fedja is doing fine without medication! Playing, running, eating...nothing about him changed, so I guess that's a good thing! Unfortunately that still doesn't mean that he is not hypothyroid, sometimes it can take months after discontinuing meds before one can see some clinical signs of the disease, so I just have to wait for the results. But it is good thing he is doing so well, otherwise it would have been hard to wait out those 6 weeks before testing him.
I have to walk the doggies now, so...that's it for the moment .
Good day all!
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Sound like you are busy! They are both so cute. Hope you get some answers on Fedja's condition soon. Thanks for the update.

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Aww! Sasha is so cute with sand on her nose! I like Fedja's clip! Havana brown is such an exciting colour and quite rare. I hope Fedja is going to be OK! So sad when our babies are not well! All kisses and noselicks from Roki, especially to Sasha (he likes puppies very much and knows how to play with them)!

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Your babies are beautiful. So sorry about the thyroid problem. I' ve just gone through this with Kodi. He is doing so much better on meds. Jean Dodd's book has been very eye opening.

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Michele, I bought that book the moment I found out about Fedja having possible thyroid condition (which all happened in may of 2011). I think it was Dave who recommended it to me.
I just read the whole thread about your Kodi. Glad he is doing well on the meds!
The main reason I'm doubting Fedja's diagnosis is because I have not seen any noticeable changes with him being on meds. He also didn't have any of the usual problems like weight gain, hair loss or anything else that you mostly read about when thyroid is not working properly.
Like Missy said in your thread about Kodi it doesn't mean that the dog isn't having thyroid issues if you don't notice any of the mentioned symptoms. Those symptoms can occur much later on, in an more advanced stage of the disease. That's really important thing for people to know!

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Marina, I like Fedja's clip too, thnx. Roki gets some kisses back from Sasha :-). Silver, havana brown, or who knows what else lol, but honestly I would be most happy with her just staying boring black lol. She is playing some big havanese tricks on me :-)))) Ah, who cares ;-D

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Thank for the update!! I've been wondering how everything was going for you guys!!
Glad to hear your babies are getting along!! I hope you get some answers about Fedja soon!!

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Great Update and awesome pics! Your dogs are beautiful!


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It is so good to hear from you! And hear all about that little character, Sasha - because, as I have told you in the past, the relationship between her and Fedja sounds SO similar to the relationship between my two - except I refer to Finn as a bully rather than a copycat! Augie has learned to stand up to him better, however, and they wear each other out with their playing and wrestling. And she likes grooming as much as Finn does! I, too, am looking at getting myself a grooming table. I wouldn't need it for Augie.

Cute pictures. I can't really tell about the brownish-red, in the photos, that you talk of. Augie has gone through some funny color changes in his coat too. He is not a pure black at all. For awhile, he had kind of a reddish brown streak down his spine. And he lightened up, from the back end forward and looked kind of muddy for awhile - not pretty, I didn't think. He seems to be darkening up a bit again now.

So happy you have updated us. Best wishes to you and your fur kids!

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Follow Dr. Dodds' recommendation whatever. You do need more than T4 and Tsh to determine thyroid problems.
As for the brown in the hair, I've had a few black dogs that did that. One, if cut down looks the color of a silver poodle ( when grown out it blends like graying). The other 2 just had brown hair mixed in.

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