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a question about Cuba and the Havanese breed

So, this may be an obvious question to the more experienced owners and breeders here, but as a newbie who is constantly trying to learn and one with a strong desire to learn more, I have a question about Cuba, the country, and the Havanese.

Recently, our local newspaper's Sunday travel section had a huge article on travel to Cuba. Travel to Cuba is now possible, but only through a few travel agencies that put together group tours. A person cannot just decide to go there, but if you have a tour group and a focus for a tour (i.e. education, culture, ballet, cuisine), they can even design a tour for your group. This allows some flexibilty but still, the tour has to be with one of the specific groups that are approved for this kind of thing.

Reading the article got me thinking about travel to Cuba specifically to see some of the Havanese dog shows there (in addition to other cultural experiences). In searching the web, I found some websites that show some of the Havanese dog shows in Cuba.

My curious questions for the forum are as follows :

Has anybody traveled to Cuba? Would you go if your life allowed for this?
Has anybody adopted a Havanese directly from Cuba? Is it possible to adopt from Cuba? Has anybody had their dog bred with a dog from Cuba? Are the Havanese dogs in Cuba the same as the ones here?

I am not planning on traveling to Cuba in case any of you were wondering LOL but I think it would be kindof cool to go there and see the dogs and to get a better understanding of their heritage. I realize my questions probably sound incredibly silly, but after reading that article, I had visions of contacting one of the travel agencies and stating that I wanted to create a "tour de Havanese" and I would expect either smiles or looks of puzzlement.

Also, I know there is a lot of controversy about the country of Cuba and human rights issues etc. So, if things were ideal and those issues did not exist, then those would be the circumstances that I would want you to ask the above questions under.

Thanks so much!
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I know people who have gotten dogs from Cuba-not exactly directly though. Genetic tests have shown that American Havanese only share a possible 3 out of 78 chromosomes with the Cuban Habaneros. This didn't include dogs with bloodlines that have come into the Registry through other countries, like Canada, that no question have Cuban dogs in their Registries.

AKC doesn't recognize Cuban dogs directly into their registry, but they do allow Havanese from other countries registries, so in a not so round-about way, they have allowed Cuban dogs into the AKC Registry. They found out a little after the fact that these other dogs had gotten in, and they was a little talk about disallowing them, but it didn't last long when they figured out the numbers that were already in.

Also, there have been some "dogs of type" allowed in by coming through other countries registries-like Hungary.

There probably are still shows in Cuba. Some people, mostly from Europe, like to get a Cuban Championship, so they send their dog to Cuba to be shown by some of the handlers there.

The people primarily responsible for saving the breed there, have now all, shall we say politely, moved elsewhere.

I personally know a fair number of Cuban dogs, and several people fairly well who are breeding them, but we choose not to. Their faces are different than ours with the eyes closer to the top of the skull, and their personalities are different.

This is enough for me to say about it.

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I'd go to Cuba in a minute, though it would be because of my interest in aquatic plants, not dogs.

I know that one of the Silk people did import a few Cuban dogs, but I don't know much about them other than that.


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That is so good to know and very interesting. My inquiry was purely due to curiosity as I know basically nothing about the country of Cuba and their Havanese. Again I am a newbie and was intrigued about the article I read. It is interesting to hear that their personality is different, too.

I know there are shows because I found a few websites that showed pictures of them. But again, I am just a curious newbie and I thought I would ask

Thanks so much for responding and indulging my curiousity LOL!
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Ok Andra, I leave the Cuban Habaneros talk to Tom and other who know about it. I CAN however, tell you about Cuba.

I am originally from Cuba, lived there close to 20 yrs and then came to the USA (15 yrs ago). When I was in Cuba, I had NO IDEA that there were Havanese Dogs, let alone that they were Cuba's national dog. I only learned about them once I was here.

As for visiting Cuba, I would suggest you do if you have the chance. Cuba is a beautiful Country with Beautiful people, who unfortunately have lost their identity due to the regime and their lack or organization (but that is a touchy subject for me, so let's leave it at that!). Anyway, Cuba has an abundant history, starting from Old Havana (La Habana Vieja) all the way to Santiago de Cuba. There are wonderful places to visit and many of the hotels are fantastic.

If you ever decide to go, shoot me a PM, I can suggest a ton of places to visit!

PS: Most people ask, so I'll volunteer the info: Yes, I have been back in Cuba after I left. I took my husband there for our Honeymoon in 2002 and he absolutely loved it!

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Their faces are different than ours with the eyes closer to the top of the skull, and their personalities are different.
I'm really curious about the personality difference. Could you expand a little more on it? Havanese personality is the #1 reason I got my pup.
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I have a Havanese from a Cuban breeder that now lives in Mexico. He is registered with the AKC as they do recognize the Mexican registry. My dog is closely linebreed on the early Cuban lines and has some extraordinary features that I am anxious to incorporate into our breeding program. He is bigger than our Hav's but I feel that American Hav's are getting a little too frail. Although longer than a lot of American Hav's, his length does come from the rib which is not true of many Hav's now. The eyes are a beautiful almond shape with halos and don't tear stain!!!! The breeder said the shape and position of the eye prevents "poodle eye" I don't know about the personalities other than this boy cuddles with me and plays with other dogs but is not overly friendly with strangers. I would say his personality is more similar to my Hav's who's ancestors became silk dogs (or island whatever they are now) than my other lines. His best feature is a full coat with the best texture that I've ever seen and little matting. Like you, I was curious to see the differences. I was very pleased to find that his strengths were consistent with where we are seeking improvement in our breeding program. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...type=3&theater

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I have been to Cuba many times (i live in Canada and it's one of the more popular Sun destinations). I never saw any Havanese like dogs there (but i didn't have one then and wasn't looking). I asked a Cuban friend about it and he had no idea about the breed (he moved to Canada 4 years ago).

Cuba is an amazing place to visit. It is tough to get around if you want to travel outside the regular tourist beat. Most tourists are shuttled to resorts on big tour buses and apart from government approved organzied tours which give you a sanitized view of the country you mostly just see your resort. It is possible to rent a car and explore, but they don't make it easy. Things have relaxed significantly in the past few years, so it might be better now.

I would love to go looking for Havanese dogs. I think the Cubans have bigger issues to deal with and dog shows/breeding are a luxury most can't afford.
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I have a Havanese from a Cuban breeder that now lives in Mexico. He is registered with the AKC as they do recognize the Mexican registry. My dog is closely linebreed on the early Cuban lines and has some extraordinary features that I am anxious to incorporate into our breeding program. He is bigger than our Hav's but I feel that American Hav's are getting a little too frail. Although longer than a lot of American Hav's, his length does come from the rib which is not true of many Hav's now. The eyes are a beautiful almond shape with halos and don't tear stain!!!! The breeder said the shape and position of the eye prevents "poodle eye" I don't know about the personalities other than this boy cuddles with me and plays with other dogs but is not overly friendly with strangers. I would say his personality is more similar to my Hav's who's ancestors became silk dogs (or island whatever they are now) than my other lines. His best feature is a full coat with the best texture that I've ever seen and little matting. Like you, I was curious to see the differences. I was very pleased to find that his strengths were consistent with where we are seeking improvement in our breeding program. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...type=3&theater
He's beautiful! What is "poodle eye"?


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EAnn, he is gorgeous! I love his color!

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