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This was a list in today's Parade Magazine- it came with a pretty mundane article about how store bought food is still the best (felt like it was sponsored by the kibble companies) but here is their list-- as we know certain things on there are fine in small amounts and/or done right (bones, cheese, garlic, liver, fat,) I had not heard about Ham and Tuna before, I guess it must be for fear of nitrates and mercury.

1. Alcohol
2. Apple Cores
3. Avocado
4. Bones
5. Caffeine
6. Cheese
7. Chocolate
8. Dough
9. Fat
10. Garlic
11. Grapes
12. Ham
13. Liver
14. Milk
15. Moldy Foods
16. Mushrooms
17. Onions
18. Potato Peels (or the eyes)
19. Raisins
20. Tuna




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I don't agree with the milk and cheese, I've even cleared that(limited, of course) with my vet and the protein and calcium in it absorbs well in dogs (that aren't lactose intolerent, of course!). I know a few other ones on that list, are used by many in the K9 Kitchen Yahoo group and even SOME of those foods have been listed in commercial dog foods. lol *sigh* (It must be the competitor of who wrote the article, ehh?) Garlic is another one that in moderation is okay and can probably help keep the fleas away according to some studies.

Potatos are OK, and so is the peel IF they are in the right state of ripeness......But NEVER feed a potato that has sprouted eyes, or growth, because once they sprout growths, there is a toxin in them that can hurt animals, it will not harm humans, but could cause seizures in pets.

Avocados seem to be very controversial. Some of the home-cooked crew use them (for the beneficial ingredients and for the "fat" in dogs that need to gain weight with cancer, etc.) and other's don't (because of the supposed toxin). Gucci doesn't like them, so I don't have to worry about that one.

I figure 'bones' is listed to probably increase rawhide sales, lol...but they (beef marrow) must be supervised and picked up after a few hours. AND if they are cooked, that can cause brittleness which could cause a problem. Of course, CHICKEN bones are a NO NO all the time. Dogs have been eating bones since the beginning of time...

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I agree with a lot on the list, but garlic. Come on, we're Italian. There's garlic in everything. They also love cheese, especially if it is on pizza. I give dairy sparingly, because I fear the loose poops, which Shelby has most of the time, anyway.


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There are several commercial dog foods that use milk proteins, cheese, garlic, etc.......BUT, most of good nutrients in them are destroyed during the cooking process. OR even worse "cheese flavoring" ugh. I'd rather her eat cheese than a bunch of chemicals. lol NOW, if it bothered her stools, I'd rethink that one.

I, personally, could not LIVE without garlic. I love it.....and everything Italian.....and of course, cilantro

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Kara, I think you need to start a forum Havanese Nutrition advice thread. Your research is so thorough. Yes I knew this list was to be taken with a grain of salt. but the biggies are there.




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LOL! I don't know about that, I'm just a book nerd and read way too much.

Missy, you would be surprised how many people don't know about grapes, raisins, onions, etc. So it really is a good thing to get these lists out there. And the potato one is probably good to be on that list too, because some people would probably not know that once a potato grows eyes or sprouts, it means the potato has a toxin in it.. and that one is often overlooked in alot of lists.

It just cracks me up that some of these things are in commercial foods, all the conflicting info. Its no wonder people are thoroughly confused on what to feed their pets.

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This was a list in today's Parade Magazine- it came with a pretty mundane article about how store bought food is still the best (felt like it was sponsored by the kibble companies) but here is their list-- as we know certain things on there are fine in small amounts and/or done right (bones, cheese, garlic, liver, fat,) I had not heard about Ham and Tuna before, I guess it must be for fear of nitrates and mercury.

1. Alcohol
2. Apple Cores
3. Avocado
4. Bones
5. Caffeine
6. Cheese
7. Chocolate
8. Dough
9. Fat
10. Garlic
11. Grapes
12. Ham
13. Liver
14. Milk
15. Moldy Foods
16. Mushrooms
17. Onions
18. Potato Peels (or the eyes)
19. Raisins
20. Tuna
Doesn't the Avoderm brand contain avocado? (or is it the pit they are talking about?)

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I know it's so confusing- yes avoderm does contain avocado. and I think they all contain garlic and a lot contain milk and cheese products and potato. so as with potato it is just the skin/and or eyes.




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And the potato one is probably good to be on that list too, because some people would probably not know that once a potato grows eyes or sprouts, it means the potato has a toxin in it.. and that one is often overlooked in alot of lists.

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Well, thank you Tara, because I didn't know it! My gramma used to pick the sprouts off and cook them and I've never given it any more though beyond that! Of course we eat them so fast they don't have time to sprout and I do know better than to get the greenish ones.

I'm wondering about the mushrooms? I hadn't heard they were unsafe before? I did hear that the ones that grow in the yard are dangerous, but we use store bough shrooms on homemade pizza. Are they really bad?
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Well, thank you Tara, because I didn't know it! My gramma used to pick the sprouts off and cook them and I've never given it any more though beyond that! Of course we eat them so fast they don't have time to sprout and I do know better than to get the greenish ones.
From what I understand, the toxin is not going to hurt humans, but will hurt animals. Ehh....Okay, some people say it can hurt humans too! *sigh*

Stay away from the greenish ones, too. If it has green or sprouts, it has solanum in it, which is the toxin to avoid.


Potato poisonings among people and dogs have occurred. Solanum alkaloids can be found in green sprouts and green potato skins, which occurs when the tubers are exposed to sunlight during growth or after harvest. The relatively rare occurrence of actual poisoning is due to several factors: solanine is poorly absorbed; it is mostly hydrolyzed into less toxic solanidinel; and the metabolites are quickly eliminated. Note that cooked, mashed potatoes are fine for dogs, actually quite nutritious and digestible

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