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There was a lenthy, opinionated thread a little bit ago about this- it had to do with Diane Klumb doing a stunning turn-around and breeding "designer" dogs using her silks. I'm not exactly sure what the thread is called but I'm sure someone will chip in as there were several forum members that were just flabergasted by the whole thing - can't blame them.
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Here is the web site http://www.bydandhavanasilkdogs.com/ .

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As an owner of a "multigen/australian" labradoodle, and a havanese I read this with interest. There is something to be said for "hybrid vigor" but instead of bringing other breeds into the mix and giving up on purebreds wouldn't it make more sense to work to preserve the breed and eliminate the genetic diseases by testing, appropriate breeding, avoiding inbreeding etc?

And "island minidoodle"??? what were they thinking with that name!
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As an owner of a "multigen/australian" labradoodle, and a havanese I read this with interest. There is something to be said for "hybrid vigor" but instead of bringing other breeds into the mix and giving up on purebreds wouldn't it make more sense to work to preserve the breed and eliminate the genetic diseases by testing, appropriate breeding, avoiding inbreeding etc?

And "island minidoodle"??? what were they thinking with that name!
Well, from what I understand from reading the websites (there are at least 3 ex-Silk breeders involved) they aren't planning on developing a new breed like the Australian Labradoodle, they are planning to continue first generation crosses. They SAY this will prevent curly, poodle-like coats, though I'm not convinced it will be a coat like a silky-type Havanese or HSD.

The Island Doodle thing is based on a loose reference to Apple products... They are caling them iDoodles for short. (at least until Apple comes after them ) one of the sites says it's because they are based on "Island breeds". But I don't think poodles were developed on an island, Bolonkas certainly weren't and I've never figured out what the 4th breed they mention is. So as far as I can see, the only "island" breed is the Havanese.

To the original poster, you won't ever see these dogs mentioned in AKC or any other breed registry if they continue to do first generation crosses. They will continue to be one-off "designer dogs" and you will have no way of knowing whether it will look and act more like a poodle or more like a Silk (Havanese).

Oh, and yes, Diane Klumb did write the Havanese book, then left Havanese to be one of the founding Silk breeders, and now has moved on once again.


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Good answer, Karen.


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Island Minidoodle = Perro Sato with a fancy name!

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Island Minidoodle = Perro Sato with a fancy name!
hahaha Zury, you made me laugh.


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There was another thread, don't remember what it was called, but, like this, I read it thoroughly. My dogs came from Bydand line and I considered Diane a mentor, it makes me very sad she is now breeding mutts. I learned alot about the Havanese from her and cannot explain the change.

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Here is the other thread:

http://www.havaneseforum.com/showthr...ghlight=bydand

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