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I took Kodi for a lesson at a different raining center last week, so that he could run an agility course in a new place, in preparation for our trial next weekend.

The trainer was very nice, and even in a half hour lesson, I learned a thing or two from her. At the end, when we were chit-chatting as I was putting my things away, she told me what a nice working dog Kodi was. She said she had worked with a number of Havanese in the past, and they had been difficult to work with!

Of course I thanked her for her kind words about Kodi, but I was mulling it over on my way home. I can't imagine a much easier dog to work with than Kodi. But I have had this response from several trainers now. I suspect the problem is that until recently, the only Havanese most of them ran into were poorly bred, poorly raise puppy mill Havs, who just haven't had a great start in life.

But it made me more glad than ever that I found a great breeder and chose my puppy carefully.


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Don't take anything away from yourself. I'm quite sure your attention, training & diligence have something to do with Kodi being a "nice working dog"!

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Don't take anything away from yourself. I'm quite sure your attention, training & diligence have something to do with Kodi being a "nice working dog"!

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Thanks, but among the dog people I hang around with, MOST of them put the kind of time and effort into their dogs that I do into Kodi. And there are some breeds (and individuals) that are definitely easier than others.

But I've met a lot of nice Havs bred by good breeders at this point, and I haven't met many that I didn't think could learn to be good obedience and/or agility dogs. Of the people I know who DO performance sports with their Havs, I haven't met anyone who was frustrated with their progress. In general, they are smart, have good play drive and love to work with their people... all good qualities in a working dog.

So I don't know where these trainers have run across Havs that were difficult to work with. Even the person I usually train with for agility commented when I first started bringing Kodi to classes that "Havanese could be stubborn". Now he's eating his words.

P.S., OF COURSE I think Kodi is the "best Havanese in the world"... heck, I think he's the best DOG in the world. But I may be just a WEE bit biased.


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Karen, the first time I took Augie to doggie day care, I got a similar reaction. That he was so outgoing and friendly, very unlike other Havanese they had experience with. They were quite surprised to see what a Havanese could be like. I have since heard that there is someone in the area that is breeding Havanese, and obviously not a reputable breeder. I even had a woman approach me at a local park, very interested in using Augie as a stud dog for her little shy, not outgoing at all, female - who was pregnant at the time. Our trainer is into larger dogs - she has border collies, but said that if she was to ever get a small dog, she would want an 'Augie'. She hasn't been around Finn as much - I need to get more involved in training with him. But the doggie day care people like him as well.

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I must admit that I've had to work through several minor issues with Gracie on the agility course, but I think it is primarily due to my rookie handling skills. My trainer was very helpful too and has been spot on, so we've moved past the issues. For example, at one point several months ago, Gracie wanted switched to what I call a pay-as-you-go plan. She'd do one contact, then she would hold me hostage for a treat. All my classmates thought she was SO CUTE. Ha, the little stinker, Trainer had me put her on the NILIF plan for several weeks and she stopped being a diva. The past month it's really come together and we got our first title (3Q's) in May. We just started competing in March.

In general, I have to say anyone who has worked with the Havanese breed would not say they are stubborn. English Bulldogs, yes. Havanese, no, IMHO.

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Karen, You were way ahead of the game, in training Kodi, you already have experience in training horses (not a lot of room for mistakes there), you knew what you wanted Kodi for, looked for the best dog to suit your dreams, found a good experienced breeder. When Kodi was young you set him up for success in socialization to many different experiences and then you started building a solid working foundation. Often some of these steps are missed or disregarded. It takes work and patience and a lot of people just want the fun. For all these reasons Kodi is a fine example of the breed.

Sometimes the dog comes from a good breeder and still just is not right for sports, and sometimes it's the owner. It's not fair for a trainer to paint all the Hav's with the same brush. Our Hav's have a big edge in part of their personality is eagerness to please their owner, if you can build trust with your Havenese they will do the best they can for you, the rest is up to the owner.

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I've known a lot of Havanese, and I can't ever remember one that I would call stubborn.

One thing that a lot of people might not realize about Karen and Kodi: Kodi is the first and only dog she has ever had, I think.
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I must admit that I've had to work through several minor issues with Gracie on the agility course, but I think it is primarily due to my rookie handling skills. My trainer was very helpful too and has been spot on, so we've moved past the issues. For example, at one point several months ago, Gracie wanted switched to what I call a pay-as-you-go plan. She'd do one contact, then she would hold me hostage for a treat. All my classmates thought she was SO CUTE. Ha, the little stinker, Trainer had me put her on the NILIF plan for several weeks and she stopped being a diva. The past month it's really come together and we got our first title (3Q's) in May. We just started competing in March.

In general, I have to say anyone who has worked with the Havanese breed would not say they are stubborn. English Bulldogs, yes. Havanese, no, IMHO.
But I don't think anyone gets through trainng any dog without a speedbump here and there. It sounds like you and Gracie are doing great! (where are the videos, BTW!?!?) Kodi will be doing his first agility trial this coming weekend. Our first trial was aborted when he got hurt late last winter, and we couldn't find another one to fit into our schedule until now.


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Karen, You were way ahead of the game, in training Kodi, you already have experience in training horses (not a lot of room for mistakes there), you knew what you wanted Kodi for, looked for the best dog to suit your dreams, found a good experienced breeder. When Kodi was young you set him up for success in socialization to many different experiences and then you started building a solid working foundation. Often some of these steps are missed or disregarded. It takes work and patience and a lot of people just want the fun. For all these reasons Kodi is a fine example of the breed.

Sometimes the dog comes from a good breeder and still just is not right for sports, and sometimes it's the owner. It's not fair for a trainer to paint all the Hav's with the same brush. Our Hav's have a big edge in part of their personality is eagerness to please their owner, if you can build trust with your Havenese they will do the best they can for you, the rest is up to the owner.
I agree, Robbie, you can definitely make a dog better or worse when it comes to a training partner, but as a BREED, they seem pretty trainable to me.


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I've known a lot of Havanese, and I can't ever remember one that I would call stubborn.

One thing that a lot of people might not realize about Karen and Kodi: Kodi is the first and only dog she has ever had, I think.
That's true, Tom, he is my first (and so far, only) dog. Which says a lot about him.. While I DO have a lot of experience with horses, it isn't exactly the same. You don't have physical contact with a dog while training the way you do with a horse. So Kodi has had to put up with my "first dog training mistakes" and has done well in spite of me at times!


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