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My dogs breeder tricked me.

Almost three years ago I imported three Havanese dogs from who I thought was a reputable breeder.that breeder was referred by a friend of mine,who also has dogs from that specific kennel.After some rumors about that breeder and her non-orthodox breeding practices I decided to to a DNA test on my dogs only to find out that my dogs are not 100% Havanese.It is so upsetting.
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Cuban habaneros won't show up in a DNA test as Havanese, simply because they only share a maximum of 3 out of 78 chromosomes.
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Thank you so much for replying Tom.That I knew before testing them.what i was looking for was shih tzu blood in them and i found it. two of my European breeders had told me that breeder had introduce long muzzled shih tzus to improve coat, in the early 2000s but I refused to give credit to that.it was after I bred my male to a Cuban bitch from the same breeder ,owned by a Belgian friend ,also a Havanese breeder that three puppies didn't come out right(too short of a muzzle since they were born,it wasn't just a defect,they looked different).after that I had to test my dogs.
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Wow!!! Sounds like a really dumb thing to do, especially with DNA testing available now. I don't know how you would go about suing someone from another country, but I'd be looking into it. It's absolutely not necessary to cross breed to improve coat with DNA testing available on coat type now from Vetgen.
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I know it's really stupid and upsetting.they don't do DNA tests in Cuba as far as I know.i don't think I can sue them since they have different laws and everything in Cuba and on top of that that breeder left the country about a year ago.
Btw the shih tzu thing wasn't only to improve coat quality,that breeder was having a lot of short haired pups caused by a dog(a dog of type,known for passing that gene to his offspring) and that dog shows in her dogs extended pedigree several times.i personally saw pictures of that dog in a cuban book of the breed and i dont know how somebody could ever use that dog for breeding.a lot of European breeders are very upset with this because they bought dogs from that kennel or have them in their pedigrees.i just found out all this yesterday night when I got an email from my friend from belgium .so now I have dogs half shih tzu that carry the short haired gene.i already set up an appointment with my vet to get my dogs spayed and neutered.i am very disappointed.
I am very sorry for the long post.
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so sorry this happened. Just know you love your dogs and they love you no matter what.

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Thank you Miss Paige.they are the loveliest creatures ever and I love them for what they are!!!
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Vetgen has a test for the shorthair gene now too. It's actually connected to a gene controlling "head furnishings", and that's the name of the test. It makes it really easy to get it out of a breeding program now.
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I don't think I'll do anymore tests on them after knowing they are part shih tzu,as i posted before they will be spayed and neutered.thank you so much for the name of the test
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I can't even begin to imagine how you must feel after all your expense and excitement getting Cuban dogs. I am so sorry you have to go through this!! I commend you for doing the right thing though in having them neutered and spayed.
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