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Invisible Fence

I would like to get an invisible fence for our yard to keep Benny safe. We do not have a fenced in yard, and although he stays close by 95% of the time, I live in fear that he will dart in the road and get hit.

Sadly, a friend just lost her dog who was hit by a car, so I am even more anxious to keep Benny safe.

I would love to hear of others' experience with invisible fencing. Thanks

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Invisible fences are NOT safe for small dogs. They let larger animals in, while keeping the small dog enclosed where they can't defend themselves, hide, or run away. The only safe ways to contain a small dog are a good, solid fence, or constant supervision... On leash if they don't have a solid recall.


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I agree w/Karen. Invisible fences are great keeping your dog in the yard. But no barrier for keeping other animals out. So I would never leave a small dog outside by themself with invisible fence.

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Please don't subject Benny to this. Karen is 100% right on the disadvantages. My take on this 'fix' for any size dog is that it is a cruel way to teach a dog to stay at home.

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I had an invisible fence in my backyard which kept my Doberman out of my flowerbeds and kept him from stressing and running the fences. He still had plenty of space, I just wanted to keep him out of a specific area. He learned quickly, and he was very timid so my guess is that it wasn't so extreme that it scared him. I even tried it on myself! I had definite hesitation about using it, but after talking with some more experienced people, I thought it worked well for that specific purpose.

That said, I agree with the other posters. It would scare me to have my dogs in the front yard with invisible fencing. Other dogs have no problem with charging into YOUR yard! I like the fact that you are thinking about Benny's safety, but I think you will have unwanted side effects. I'm also not so sure about using the collars on small dogs. I used mine on a 75 lb dog and used the lightest setting available.

I am using a trainer who comes to my house, and we are training my pups to have a great recall as well as to learn certain techniques to stay in certain places. I won't leave them unattended, but I will rely on those tools - maybe you could think about having a trainer come to your house? Just a thought.

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Before I had my fence, I had invisible fencing for the outside dog. It worked well with the larger dog. You do have to walk them along the fence at first to train them and put up flags , etc. Anyway I had a little schnauzer at that time. I got her a collar and watched as she went along the fence. Then for whatever purpose, she started over it and when it shocked her, she ran forward across it. Then she couldn't get back. I never put it on her again. Just went out with her every time for potty and runs. She was not as headstrong as Rosie and minded me instantly. So my recommendation is no for a small dog. If you want it to stay outside for exercise, then put in a long lead that it can run along--sorta like a clothesline--then a long leash with a hook on both ends.

I am assuming that there are no big dogs running loose in your neighborhood and that you are watching your baby.


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I would like to get an invisible fence for our yard to keep Benny safe. We do not have a fenced in yard, and although he stays close by 95% of the time, I live in fear that he will dart in the road and get hit.

Sadly, a friend just lost her dog who was hit by a car, so I am even more anxious to keep Benny safe.

I would love to hear of others' experience with invisible fencing. Thanks
I don't have personal experience with invisible fencing, but I read and talk very widely with other dog-people, including many professional trainers. In my own rural neighborhood, I've been aware of two or three places with invisible fencing.

Dogs who have ANY timidity are usually badly affected, no matter how careful the training; some become untraiinable for anything, as the emotional brain appears to become overwhelmed with fears, leading to unwanted shyness, and sometimes, even, aggression (defensive aggression, but that's still aggression).

I'm aware of one local dog who had to be put down as a result of being overwhelmed with fears (and aggressive as a result).

There are also numbers of possible malfunctions, even with the best-made systems. Among them, that the collar doesn't turn off, but keeps shocking the dog.

What I've done is put up kennel-mesh (also known as knuckle-wire) - 2"x4" oblong "holes" - for my small dogs, six feed high, with about six or more inches of that sunk into a trench in the ground, with chicken-wire attached at the bottom, and the chicken-wire laid flat, inside the fence, dug in, and then covered back up (to prevent digging out, for digging-dogs like small terriers).

For my maximum comfort and safety (my dog's safety is my safety), I;ve put fencing, uninterrupted, around my entire house, enclosing all door-exits to the yard. And put a dog-door in my front door (or whatever door works best).

Of course, I can always block the dog-door, and if I do, I block it on BOTH sides, so that if my dog is outside (and I'm unaware of that), it doesn't try to get in the dog-door and bang its head on the inside blocking-panel. Vice-versa for inside, of course.

Height of fence depends first on your dog's size, but also, on what might be outside the fence and try to jump in.Cougar? We have them in my area, and they find a small dog a tasty lunch. Deer?

Because of my locations, I've found six-foot fencing sufficient, but probably you'd need to add onto the top for keeping deer or cougar out of your yard- I'd add chicken-wire that leans outward from the fence - say, a couple of feet of that at least.

Coyotes? Foxes? Raccoons? None are desirable in your yard. Mink or weasel? Same, but they can probably get in anyway; hard to say.

Rogue bears would just push the fence down, so if there are bears in your area (there are here), you have to avoid attracting bear.

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I forgot to add about GATES in the fenced area!

I always have the main gate a double-baffle gate - that is TWO gates, with a baffle between them. The baffle area is about 4 feet wide, and at least six feet long - eight feet is better. The outer gate (outside the fenced area) swings outward, and the inner gate swings into the yard.

At the other end of the fenced aera, I have only a single gate - that's away from any normal treffic = not a gate people might try to open from outside the yard. But a double-baffle gate there would be fine, too.

Having a double-baffle gate helps prevent accidents such as - people forgetting to close the gate - thus allowing a dog to get outside the fence.

P.S. You don't have to fence in your whole yard! You can fence a fairly small portion, to help keep expenses down. Best that the fenced area NOT include the driveway. A local breeder lost a dog in the driveway - driven over by a visitor.

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Where I live many of the houses have these fences, when walking my dogs it is a pain as many of these dogs run to the line and aggressively lung and bark at us and some go to the over them anyway. There are a few who use these fences when they are out with the dog, gardening these dogs usually are near their owners and couldn't be bothered. We have a special fenced yard for the dogs, we also built a deck off our sunroom in the dog yard, so we can spend time outside with them, I also have a wooded yard and a yard next to the dog yard none of them are fenced but as time goes on, urban sprawl and neighbors with their own vision of how things should be I have lost screening trees large limbs of Hickory trees and children damaging native growth by trambling on them and teaseing the dogs, even with the fence it is not safe leaving the dogs out on their own, so with in the next year or so, for me more fencing will be going up.

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great replies so far. I would spend the money and reinforce the fence you Hav.

Here are some different articles that can shed some light.

http://ow.ly/1IO7L

http://media.causes.com/ribbon/792146

http://www.ust.is/media/ljosmyndir/d...hockcollar.pdf

http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/con...3707194~db=all

http://www.hollysden.com/say-no-to-s...encing_Systems

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/...0/01-fear.html - 4th paragraph is especially telling

http://www.positivedogs.com/articles...c_fencing.html

http://www.positivedogs.com/articles/lisag.html

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