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From zero mistakes to four in a matter of days.

Let me start off by saying that I've been reading this forum and articles on the web for about 2 days now. Okay, we are in the process of selling our house and getting ready to move in about a month. We had about 3 weeks of getting the house ready and having a couple of open houses and it did sell....yay! Toby, my 1 or 2 year old rescue (the rescue people said he was 1, my vet thinks he's more like 2) did great with having all the people coming and going and our crazy schedule. I would just put him in his crate in the garage and he was fine. In fact, all the realtors commented on how quiet he was and that they didn't even know he was there.

So a few days ago I was thinking to myself how great Toby was doing with his housetraining. He had not had an accident in over a month or so and I thought that we can move and not have any issues at our new house. Well, I was vacuuming and came upon a dried pee spot about 3" wide under one of the side tables in the family room. Then I found a spot (I think he was marking) on my pillow on the bedroom floor. And it continues....I then found a little dime size spot under a table in one of the bedrooms that nobody sleeps in. And also a pee spot, which was still damp, next to the hamper by the laundry room upstairs. So I went from "patting myself on the back for a job well done" to becoming a total wreck, imagining my DH finding Toby a new home, and not our new one we are moving to.

I have now gone back to keeping all the rooms closed off and keeping my eyes on him at all times. He was sleeping in my son's room without any accidents, but I decided to keep Toby in his crate over night until I can get a handle on this.

I don't know what is going on. My thought is that maybe he has smelled so many different people in the rooms and decided to mark? He was neutered right before I adopted him, which has only been about 5 months ago. Also my pillow may be a sign of being possessive of me since I have not been as available to him? Maybe he is upset with DH? He is definiately more attached to me than anyone else in the family.

I am supposed to be going out of town with a girlfriend this weekend but I don't know if I can have a good time being worried about Toby and my family.

I read some conflicting advice about letting your dog mark outside as much as they want and some saying to limit this even when on walks. Also, has anyone had any experience with the pheromone diffusers and if they would help my situation?

I'm sorry for such a novel, but I do feel a bit better just writing all this down. Now I just hope that one of you wonderful, wise, knowledgeable people out there will have some great advice for me.

Thank you in advance.
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This is normal for both puppies and small dogs, the accidents they have are of course ours. We start to slack off, not only are we not keeping one eye open we are not looking to find the accidents. I brought a 2 yr old home in Feb., her training was going really well then I was in the living and found as you have, dried puddles. I am back to watching and closing off rooms, and taking her out more often. I know better it takes at least 6 months for a older dog, my puppy mill dogs took about two years.

You will be fine even dogs who have been house trained for years can mark in a new house so you will need to watch as you go through the period of making the house yours.

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good stuff Robbie. Many reasons for accidents ie. regression accidents. Certainly all the excitement lately. Here is an article that talks about this. http://www.positiveresponse.net.au/p...ing-nz-gazette

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Thank you, Robbie, for your advice. I adopted Toby back in February as well. And, Dave, I read the article and it is very well written. Today was an accident free day, so I feel a lot better. I guess it's time to order some belly bands and keeping my eyes on him 24/7.
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Something about new houses! My daughter moved into a new house this year and Abby has marked two bedrooms so far! McGee has been no problem - I would have expected it more from him than Abby, though. Thanks goodness DD has a little "green machine" that cleans it up very well! She marked right inside the granddaughter's bedroom door three times while we were staying at their house babysitting last month. I hope she is through!

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Something about new houses! My daughter moved into a new house this year and Abby has marked two bedrooms so far! McGee has been no problem - I would have expected it more from him than Abby, though. Thanks goodness DD has a little "green machine" that cleans it up very well! She marked right inside the granddaughter's bedroom door three times while we were staying at their house babysitting last month. I hope she is through!
Kodi peed in our addition once when it was first completed. We kept a close eye on him after that, and no repeats, but it almost feels like they don't know that the NEW area is off-limits too, without a bit of reinforcement.


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Ok, so I just got back last night from my weekend away with a friend and Toby only had one accident while I was away. The DH told me that he forgot to close our bedroom door and Toby ran in there and marked the corner of our bed. The only thing I can think of is that we got a new bed skirt? This is the second time he's peed in the same spot. We clean it really well with natures miracle The DH said he's really worried about moving to the new house with him. Is it possible to keep some of the rooms in your house permanently off limits? I'm really worried that DH will have had it with him soon.
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Ok, so I just got back last night from my weekend away with a friend and Toby only had one accident while I was away. The DH told me that he forgot to close our bedroom door and Toby ran in there and marked the corner of our bed. The only thing I can think of is that we got a new bed skirt? This is the second time he's peed in the same spot. We clean it really well with natures miracle The DH said he's really worried about moving to the new house with him. Is it possible to keep some of the rooms in your house permanently off limits? I'm really worried that DH will have had it with him soon.
Baby gates until he is 100% trustworthy maybe or close all the doors. My house is a bungalow and all the doors are closed. Its a pain but he has more than enough room with our open concept living/dining/family/kitchen area. Ted will always go in his pen when we are out or when we are busy until he is at least 6-8 months old if not a year.

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As Lise said, there is NOTHING wrong with limiting the areas that Toby is allowed... Temporarily OR permanently. He will adjust to whatever your "house rules" are, as long as you are consistent. He definitely shouldn't have more space than he can handle and be successful. For his sake, as much as yours!


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I think Toby and Louis are brothers lol. I too got Louis (2 yo) about 5 months ago! I got him in March, and he was neutered right before he came home with me.

I commiserate with you on the housetraining thing. Just when you think you can celebrate, you find a spot and then you are tearing your hair out. I was cleaning about 2 weeks ago, and found dried pee drops on my cat tree. I would see Louis going under the cat tree but he would always rub against the scratching post. I didn't think anything of it because he loves rubbing against furniture. I think he was leaning his body to rub on the cat tree WHILE dribbling a few pee spots. I also found dried pee spots near the dog bed. I just can't remember how that happened as he is supervised 99% of the time. Guess he took advantage of that 1%! They are SO sneaky. The spots I found though were definitely marking spots.

I let Louis mark all he wants outside on walks. This ensures me of an empty bladder and less likelihood he will mark in the house. I imagine those few dried pee spots I found were a result of having strange dogs in my home (I groom friends' dogs every now and then in my home), but who knows the real reason.

He has gotten better about the potty thing, and I do wonder if his testosterone levels are leveling out after his neuter? Is this type of thing even possible?

Just hang in there - and remember that you will have to be diligent all over again in the new house. Let me tell you about Louis's first week in my home (hope this makes you feel better, and not worse because you are moving into a new environment!):

I brought Louis home late at night. I took him outside several times, he peed once. I crated him and unloaded stuff out of the car and did general house stuff. Before calling it a night, I took him out one more time. He did nothing. Thinking he was empty, I let him hang out in the bathroom uncrated while I took a shower. Our bathroom has CARPET in it (came with the darn house). As soon as I jumped in the shower, Louis marked THREE times in three different spots (all with his leg hiked up), then walked over to another spot, squatted and peed (this one was A LOT of pee). I was furious! He just looked at me with such nonchalance. At this point we hadn't had much of a bond yet.

I left him with my husband one day (still the first week) - and my husband was appalled how someone wouldn't potty train their dog. My husband is used to our big dog who is 100% reliable in the house. So my husband let Louis roam everywhere downstairs, and Louis marked on the bottom stair step, on my bag, several other spots... Louis also tried to hump my 65lb poodle the first couple of days. He would also pee over my other dog's pee. I think he was trying to figure out his place in our home. Once he got more comfortable, the dominant peeing stopped.

Stil in the first week - I made the mistake of not taking him out right after eating - I washed the dog bowls first. Within that 2 minutes, Louis pooped on the dog bed, and when I shooed him away to get toilet paper, he ran back, scooped up the poop with his mouth to eat it. I chased him and got furious (getting angry is the WRONG emotion to show but I couldn't help it - I felt like a failure!).

So after the first week or so - it was intense crate training, supervising, going outside multiple times a day, baby-gating, closing doors, etc etc. Very tiring. BUT - as you've read in my other post - it IS paying off. Of course after 5 months, Louis and I have such a strong bond I can practically read his mind. It DOES get better!

I still have rooms in my home he is not allowed to go in. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that! You just have to remember to close those doors lol

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