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Hey All,

I'm curious to know about health guarantees in contracts. If you're a breeder, what do you guarantee? Or, if you purchased a puppy, what was included in your contract? Just trying to get a feel for what you all would consider "the norm."

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I don't know if there is anything that can be considered "the norm".

Many guarantee health for some fixed period of time. Some through the first vet visit.

Another guarantee is to buy back the dog at any time during its life. This is actually a pretty safe one for the breeder, since almost no one will give up a puppy once they've had it. AKC actually started suggesting this guarantee some years back, but it really was more to do about show dogs.

Regardless of what the paper says, you need to develop a comfortable trust with the breeder, because way too many times we've heard of guarantees not being honored. We even heard of one breeder who "dared" the new owner to return the pup.

I don't want to state the terms of our guarantee here, since it might be construed as some sort of advertising.
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I don't know if there is anything that can be considered "the norm".

Many guarantee health for some fixed period of time. Some through the first vet visit.

Another guarantee is to buy back the dog at any time during its life. This is actually a pretty safe one for the breeder, since almost no one will give up a puppy once they've had it. AKC actually started suggesting this guarantee some years back, but it really was more to do about show dogs.

Regardless of what the paper says, you need to develop a comfortable trust with the breeder, because way too many times we've heard of guarantees not being honored. We even heard of one breeder who "dared" the new owner to return the pup.

I don't want to state the terms of our guarantee here, since it might be construed as some sort of advertising.
I just tried to talk with Zoeys breeder about spaying her and giving me a refund from the price she charges for a pet and the price she charged me for full papers. She wasn't very nice and said she felt sorry for Zoey that I let others influence me into not breeding her and that I could return her. Said all she wants for her puppys is to be loved. I think she had forgotten she had offered me a refund when I found out her teeth were not even. Then I found out she had Zoeys father spayed because of health issues. Boy I thought she would have been happy to have me spay her. Now I have two wonderful Havanese with breeders who as far as I'm concerned are really not reputable breeders. And I know everyone did try to worn me.

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Suzy, I know breeders who have replaced a dog that was sold for show, after the other dog proved to have a problem that prevented it from getting a championship. The breeders let them keep the orginal dog after showing papers that the dog was spayed, and sent them another show prospect. How does this happen...for one it's in the contract, but it's not that cut and dried the owner needs to show that they made a reasonable effort to show the dog, that the dog has have a true problem, not just a points off problem. Also there has to be extensive follow up. Not only does the breeder need to give you a shot, they need to believe in you and this kind of contract can be expensive. There are also Breeders who will mentor you and show your dog if you are not having the success that was hoped for it's in the contract and there is a rate involved. Good breeders want their bred by dogs to get championships, often they get a puppy out of a breeding or stud rights as well as another bred by champion.

The reason I am writing this is I don't feel you are being fair. To win you need a good dog, a commitment to educating yourself, "ring presence", you need to know your patterns and be able to execute them with your dog as flawlessly as possible. It's not all about grooming...although in a drop coat that is important.You need to practice every day, you need to stack your dog in many different places, many times a day, you need to socialize your dog to people and noise. You need to practice your steps all the time you also need to be going to workshops, seminars, handling classes, this will help you be successful. These things cost money, and require time, the sport/hobby of showing and breeding is expensive. A commitment to a good foundation has many rewards in the future.

Suzy, enjoy your dogs as the loveable companions they are, this just was not your time, and it's late in the day to go back to the breeder. Your dogs true value is in the love, affection and blind trust they give you everyday.

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I agree with Robbie. Most of the good breeders I know don't have different prices for dogs sold for show/breeding and dogs sold as pets. It doesn't cost any more to produce and raise one than the other, and good breeders do the best they can to produce as uniformly high quality dogs as possible. Most GOOD breeders simply will not sell a puppy to a novice as a breeder. Period. At any price. Their good name is tied up in how that puppy is handled, and the puppies that it later produces.

I think it's a little late in the game to go back to your breeder and say that you want money back because you are planning to spay Zoey. There is nothing really "wrong" with her as far as you know, though I don't think you've had any health testing done. You have been told by some of your Havanese club friends that she has good structure. You just haven't wanted to (or been unable to for financial or other reasons) do the extensive training, go the distance and do the campaigning necessary to put a title on her. That's all fine, and completely OK. But then to expect the breeder to give you money back because of it is asking too much.


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I was totally fooled by my breeder who sold me three Havanese/shih tzu mix instead of purebred Havanese and let me tell you I paid almost 7k for them and I wish I could get my money back but I know that's not going to happen.its frustrating that the dogs we put lots of effort on don't turn out perfect or at least close to perfect but it is what it is.
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Getting back to my original question , would anyone share with me what kind of health guarantee you got in your contract when you purchased your puppies?

Thank you!

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