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Welcome Janice, we need pics

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Welcome to the forum!

I am curious how you came to the desicion about getting an island doodle??

Looking forward to pictures and learning more about you and your new baby!!

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Your puppy is sure to be adorable and fun! Please post some pictures. I am familiar with lots of different kinds of doodles, Labradoodles, Goldendoodles and even Shepadoodles, but have never seen an Island doodle.

I have 3 Havanese and none of them have any health/genetic issues so far, at ages 4, 5, and 8. They are unrelated.
I'm surprised to hear your breeder say that there are so many health issues in this breed.
I'm sure people will be adding their 2 cents.

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post #5 of 23 (permalink) Old 08-22-2012, 10:47 PM
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With all due respect, there are no animals free of genetic problems. No matter what you breed to what, there are always specific genetic issues to every breed that eventually WILL appear. Cross breeds will pick up the issues of both sets of parents no matter what your breeder might tell you.
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Good luck with your new pup, and as others have said, our only forum "requirement" is that you POST PICTURES so we can enjoy too!

While there are some genetic problems within the Havanese breed, (and Silks, at this point are really just a sub-set of Havanese... my Kodi is double registered as Silk and Havanese) there are serious genetic problems in poodles too. I was recently told by a mini poodle breeder that close to 100% of red poodles have some degree of liver disfunction. I don't know if this is accurate, but she is a breeder, and this was her take. There are genetic problems with ALL breeds, and Havanese, in general, are healthier than many if not most other breeds. If you talk to vets, they will tell you that lots of crossbreeds have health problems too.

The GOOD Havanese breeders do very careful testing and screening to breed away from the known health problems and breed for healthy, well-conformed dogs with great companion dispositions. So I think the iDoodle people and the good Havanese breeders have the same end goal, even if they have different opinions on how to go about it.

In any case, I'm sure your little guy will be adorable, and the love of your life! We have lots of other people with part-Havanese, so you DEFINITELY won't be alone, and there is at least one other iDoodle owner.

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I love all dogs, so welcome to the forum. I will enjoy seeing pictures and hearing about your dogs antics.

As for mixed and crossbreeds being healther there is no proof and especially with a new untested breed, it can take many generations before something shows and things are showing up. Goldendoddles are starting to show rates of cancer in line with Goldens and they are not non dander dogs as some breeders claim.

I thought I knew a good bit about genetics of dogs and I do know a good deal about the breed I bred, but there is a lot more science today, things that were thought to be true have been proven and some have proven to be false scientifically. We know that certain colors can have inherited conditions often this is due to the foundation stock, but then their are other things that have nothing to due with color. For instance it was thought that PRA in Lhasa Apso's came from a line of red dogs, this color was a recessive red so many breeders quite that line, today we know that is not the fact, PRA happens when two carriers mate one in four will have PRA and become blind many will carry the gene, yes it happened in the Red but it was not due to color.

The Havanese has been around for a good amount of time, there are many good breeders that are very careful with their line, Havanese are also still a breed that is considered to have few problems when compared to other toy dogs. There is a lot that goes in to producing a good line in any breed of dog, first and for most is the foundation stock, many breeders out there miss that step, there is also the financial ability to scrap stock (find it a pet home) that show genetic problems, some just can not afford or are not willing to do that. Also there is continued education in dog breeding many never took that step. A good breeder has done all of that and yes they can still have a problem but the chances are far less. There are a great many good Havanese breeders out there and it is not fair to say Havanese have many genetic problems.

With new breeds you have to go back past the foundation and look at genetic problems with each breed of dog that went into the making of the breed, you have to look also at mode of inheritance, also it would help if you could study the entire line for each of the dogs used as a foundation, it takes many years of breeding to come up with a "new breed" of dog and many more for genetic problems to be noticed.

Again, welcome to the forum we look forward to seeing and hearing about your dog no matter what breed.

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I haven't read of any other Island mini doodles here, but there could be. I don't really believe there are any less health problems in them than a well bred Havanese from a reputable breeder who does ALL the health screening. All dogs have the potential for health problems. I know of at least one couple doing the idoodle, formerly Havanese, then Silk, did all the testing and on a small occasion would come up with a problem. I think others have explained adequately.
In any case, you are most welcome here and I hope you can post pictures very soon. We all love pictures. Enjoy your puppy

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I'm the other iDoodle owner here. Of course it's true that all dogs have the potential for health problems. There are breeders of hybrids who will say otherwise, but I wouldn't get a puppy from one of those breeders. However, breeders of all purebred dogs should be aware that (peer-reviewed) research is finding that important immune system genes are becoming less diverse in several breeds that have been studied. It is believed that some of the line breeding done to produce show quality dogs may ultimately result in an array of problems associated with immune system function. It's great that most Havanese are not suffering from health issues, but it's also a good thing when knowledgeable breeders are willing to learn about canine genetics and do the DNA testing that will be helpful for all our pets in the future. Aside from my interest in genetics, the Havanese and the Poodle are two very intelligent, attractive, and portable dogs, and I'm really happy with my puppy. Her name is Zoey. This forum has a lot of really good info and people who are obviously dedicated to their dogs. That's why I'm here.
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