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Hello and some questions

Hello everyone, I have been reading this forum for a few months but only recently started actually contributing. This is one of the nicest nooks of the internet - no snarky and sarcastic comments, very helpful advice!

My 2 year old Havanese boy was rescued by social workers from a hoarding house, where he lived since puppyhood. He did not know anything - how to walk on a leash, how to go up and down the stairs, he had never been outside before, so he ate his poop and peed inside... But he had not been abused, and he is affectionate and friendly to most people and making great strides in learning how to be a good, although shy, doggie. He is scared of men, so my dh and Max have a rather cold relationship and he mostly bonded with me, but we are working on it.

I have a few questions to more seasoned Havanese owners:
1. How much do your dogs like walking? Max refuses to walk if the temperature is in high 80's, but when it is cooler he can be tempted to walk with me. Gets exhausted after one hour, which suprised me since all my previous dogs (mini schnautzer, and two tiny mutts) loved walking and could never have enough of smelling bushes, peeing on mailboxes etc. The vet said he is healthy, has no hip dysplasia or anything, do you think we need to work on his stamina, or do all Havaneses like to be bums?
2. What do you do with eye tearing? I wipe Max's eyes every day with a warm cloth, is this enough?
3. Anyone has any advice on fetching? Max just gets excited and steals the toy/stick and heads away to chew on it.
4. Both my hubby and I work full time and the kid is at school. As a result, Max has to be in his crate for for 7-8 hours per day. Do you crate your dogs when you are out or do you let them roam the house? He is not a destructive fellow, but he may shred the newspaper or something when he is bored.
Thanks in advance for your help!
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I never crated Rosie. I did have a baby playpen for a month or so. Until she could almost get out of it. But After that I would put her in the bathroom with food and water and block all the cabinet doors so she couldn;t open them. Then before she was a year old, I just left her in the house. She was trained to the peepads so that was not a problem. I have to admit that once or maybe twice I came home to toilet paper all over the house. Once Rosie and the cat made a real mess. I had been canning tomatoes and had a dishpan of peeling on the kitchen island. Well Rosie talked the cat into getting up there and pushing the pan off because it had to be something good to eat. Then when they realized it was not, Rosie got the cat to get the paper towels so they could clean up. There were paper towels all over the house. I got real good about pushing the chairs up to the table so she couldn't get on tables and shutting the bathroom door. Really it never was a real problem. Most get an expen for their pups. I have a big bathroom and so I used that. Bitter Apple spray stopped the chewing on chair legs and door facings and of course shoes. Have fun with your baby. They don't stay puppies long enough.

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Thats alot of questions! I'll tackle the heat thing. Ted hates the heat. When I bring him out in the yard in the afternoon he will only go in the shady areas. His 2 walks are early in the am and sometimes 1 in the evening. I live on a big unfenced lot out in the country so the excercise during the day is on our lot. I just started off leash with him today. He stayed with me! It was nerve racking for me but natural for him. Since Ted is young, I will just say that I can't imagine him walking for an hour. Maybe your walks should be shorter since it is a new thing to him and then gradually build up the time. Playtime is valuable excercise too!
Ted is treat driven. He gets a reward for coming to me when I call him (once). Once you establish that one then try the retreiving. He will want to come to you with it because he knows there will be a treat. Ted took about 3 or 4 tries in a row to fetch and a couple more to bring it. Now he does it without treats. Ted retrieves anything noe but at the first, I got him little mini tennis balls. Depending on Maxs' size, get the right sized ball. Just keep rewarding his good behaviour. Max will come along

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Ted stays in his pen when we are out which has his water and toys and an open crate along with a pee pad for in case

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Hello everyone, I have been reading this forum for a few months but only recently started actually contributing. This is one of the nicest nooks of the internet - no snarky and sarcastic comments, very helpful advice!

My 2 year old Havanese boy was rescued by social workers from a hoarding house, where he lived since puppyhood. He did not know anything - how to walk on a leash, how to go up and down the stairs, he had never been outside before, so he ate his poop and peed inside... But he had not been abused, and he is affectionate and friendly to most people and making great strides in learning how to be a good, although shy, doggie. He is scared of men, so my dh and Max have a rather cold relationship and he mostly bonded with me, but we are working on it.
Good for you for giving this little one a new/better chance in life!!! I bet he and your hubby will warm up to each other with time. You might try having your hubby be the person who feeds him all his meals.

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I have a few questions to more seasoned Havanese owners:
1. How much do your dogs like walking? Max refuses to walk if the temperature is in high 80's, but when it is cooler he can be tempted to walk with me. Gets exhausted after one hour, which suprised me since all my previous dogs (mini schnautzer, and two tiny mutts) loved walking and could never have enough of smelling bushes, peeing on mailboxes etc. The vet said he is healthy, has no hip dysplasia or anything, do you think we need to work on his stamina, or do all Havaneses like to be bums?
I think the answer to this one is, "it depends". We have people on the forum who have "diva dogs" who think that half a block is plenty for them, and we have others whose dogs will hike for hours in rough terrain. Kodi is one of those. That said, MOST of them don't like to walk far in very warm weather. Remember, they have thick fur AND they are very close to the baking pavement. It's a lot hotter down there. They can actually burn their feet if you aren't careful. On really hot days, either walk very early, very late or find places to walk without pavement.

I also think that in the case of your little guy, if he has never even been outside, he may just not be fit enough for more than that. You may have to work him up to longer distances over time.

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2. What do you do with eye tearing? I wipe Max's eyes every day with a warm cloth, is this enough?
Some Havanese do tear quite a bit, while others don't. I'm lucky that Kodi doesn't. But the people here who have Havs that tear a lot seem to do what you are doing, and just make sure they clean and dry the dog's face daily. You're lucky that he has a dark face, so at least you don't have to worry about staining!!!

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3. Anyone has any advice on fetching? Max just gets excited and steals the toy/stick and heads away to chew on it.
Remember that Havs are not bred to retrieve, so for many of them, it's not a natural activity. (though most can learn to love it!) And, again, your guy has had a fairly "deprived childhood". I would teach him to fetch with a "jackpot" toy. This is a toy with a velcro pocket, where you can hide treats. Then put the toy on a long string and through it. This way, you don't lose control of it, even if you have to manually "reel" it (and him!) back in. When you get the toy and him back, ask him to drop it. If he doesn't, grasp the toy on either side of his mouth, but DON'T get pulled into a game of tug-of-war. If he tries to tug, just keep your arms loose and don't let go, but don't pull back. eventually, he will let go. At that point, you produce the treat out of the toy, and make a big deal about what a great dog he is. Eventually he'll get the idea that bringing the toy back gets him a treat, and it doesn't (always!) mean the end of the game.

My guess is that if there were toys around in the hoarder's house, there were always a number of dogs vying for them. So he has learned that he'd better hold on and run away, or he'll lose it!

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4. Both my hubby and I work full time and the kid is at school. As a result, Max has to be in his crate for for 7-8 hours per day. Do you crate your dogs when you are out or do you let them roam the house? He is not a destructive fellow, but he may shred the newspaper or something when he is bored.
A full day is a long time for any dog to be left alone, let alone a small dog with a small bladder. (and especially if his house training is a bit iffy at this point) If at all possible, I'd suggest having someone come in in the middle of the day to take him for a short walk play with him for a few minutes and allow him to relieve himself. If that is absolutely not an option, I would still not confine him to a crate for that long. That's just too small a space! Instead, either set up an ex-pen for him, or confine him to a small room with and easy to clean floor and nothing he can get into. Give him an option of an indoor potty spot, whether it is pee pads (if he won't rip them up) a UgoDog, Potty Patch... what ever. He shouldn't have to hold it all day, and if you give him an acceptable potty option, you are setting him up for success.

If you HAVE to leave him alone all day, I'd also give him some interesting toys and nice, appealing chew items, whether they are stuffed Kongs, marrow bones, antlers... what ever he seems to enjoy.


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hi! & welcome.

my Gabby loves to walk... but it definitely depends on the personality. I will not walk her in the heat. Best sign I've seen posted outside a doggie boarding place "If you are hot, your dog is hotter", it's so simple but true. So there are definitely less walks in the summer (only in the cool morning, and maybe in the evening). And bring water on the walks

I wash her face every morning with a warm face cloth, just water. That has prevented staining for her.

Gabby naturally wanted to fetch, it wasnt anything i taught her... but what Lise said about treats and retrieving should work like a charm.

Many many many people work full time and have dogs and it works out just fine. Your dog will adjust to your schedule. I wouldn't crate him for the full day... my Gabby is over a year and she is now allowed free in the house. She doesnt chew, she is potty trained. I tried leaving her alone for short durations at first, and kept adding to it as I learned that I could trust her alone in the house (and yes, had toilet paper shredded too, so toilet paper is kept up and out of sight )

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Well everybody gave such great advice I don't have much to add but I do like Krandall's idea to have your husband feed Max. Ozzie also spends the day at home and is free to roam the main areas of our house. We do put a gate over the basement stairs so he can't go get in too much trouble but I think he mostly sleeps! My husband comes home for lunch so he gets a snack and some play time and then its back to napping! I take him for an early morning walk and he loves it but its usually only about 1/2 hour. If he gets bored during the day he has a ton of toys to keep him busy from chewy ones to stuffed puzzle toys. Sign up for Doggyloot...they have great deals on great toys and treats!! Ozzie is 1 1/2 yrs and still isn't into the fetching thing. He will do it couple of times then get bored....he would rather chase butterflies! Good luck with Max and congrats on adopting a rescue! If I can ever talk my husband into a second one it will be a rescue so I commend you
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Thank you everybody for your kind advice!
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On the 4th point about being away 7-8 hours.

Is it possible for you to put Max in doggy daycare couple times a week just to combat boredom? It might also help his social skills with other dogs.

Either full day or half days is a possibility.

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